Worried Trump could 'go rogue,' Milley took top-secret action to protect nuclear weapons

I agree his business practices were deplorable. That’s one side of him.

 

The other side is that he cheated on his wives whenever he could, he talks about them as if they were pieces of meat and he is being prosecuted for rape.

A very good heart.

But he loved America, as this photo proves.

 

Being prosecuted for rape? Hell, every Republican in my lifetime has been accused of being a Nazi, rapist, and racist by Democrats. It’s like Tourette Syndrome for liberals.

 

Did you even bother reading your own article? It clearly outlines what it would mean if we had a no first strike policy. But as of today, no such policy exists. In fact, here is a DIRECT QUOTE from the article you implied means we have a no first use (NFU) policy.

If you wish to debate whether or not we should have such a policy, and offer up your opinion that we in fact should, be my guest. But during the critical dates to the events at the heart of this discussion, we had no such NFU policy in place (at least as concerns Russia, China, and N. Korea), to this day we still do not, and I don't think it's even on anybody's mind in Congress, which is where such an idea would have to start.

So either you didn't read the very article you posted a link for, or you were hoping that just by posting it, people would accept as fact the idea that the US has that policy. We don't.

 

It's not my allegation. Take your beef up with Bob Woodward, I'm merely responding to his accusations, and what the consequences are if they turn out to be true.

 

A principal concern of our military since 1949, when the USSR successfully tested their first atomic weapon, has been how to avoid an accidental nuclear war. Part of this problem involves dealing with the advantages of a "first strike." Obviously, the country that fires its nukes first has an advantage insomuch as it could inflict such massive damage on the recipient of the strike as to largely disarm them and cause them to sue for peace, with the "war" being over in a matter of hours. That possibility led to a whole field of study during the Cold War akin to "nuclear diplomacy." One of the first theories was "massive retaliation." That involved having such a numerically superior number of nuclear weapons that our forces would be insured of surviving any adversarial first strike at our weapons as to enable us to completely destroy them in a "massive retaliation" second strike. That theory was followed by "combined deterrent" and the "three-legged stool" of land, air and sea based nuclear strike forces, which would enhance our second strike capability (i.e. it relied not so much on the quantitative numbers of land based missiles and airborne bombers, but the qualitative response of a second strike capability that would be impossible to counter). That came with the submarine based nuclear weapons, which would be difficult to detect because of their mobility (unlike fixed site missiles and bomber bases), and could be fired from closer proximity (just off-shore of their targets) and aimed at population centers, rather than the counter-force of weapon targets.

The logical follow on theory, which is still pretty much what we have today, was MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction); in other words, any nuclear attack was bound to escalate into a war so terrible that it there would be no effective "winner."

However, the advantage of a first preemptive nuclear strike never went completely away, particularly in the case of a rogue political leader with the power to launch such a strike. That fear occurred during Watergate, during the Clinton impeachment, and now with the 2020 presidential election.

All of this enhanced the advantages of continuity and stability between nations and one means of accomplishing that was multiple contacts between ourselves and our allies and even our potential adversaries. Any "transactional strategy" was, to some degree, a challenge to the existing world order, and the threat to world order enhanced the threat of a global nuclear war.

Trump's claim of an illegitimate 2020 presidential election created global insecurity. The January 6th attack on our Capitol escalated that insecurity. Milley's assurances to the Chinese were that despite the domestic political problems, we were still a "nation under law" and there was no threat to the Chinese of a U.S. first strike against them...for one, we have the non-aggression commitments under the U.N. Charter; for another our Constitution requires a Congressional declaration of war; for a third, our War Powers Act grants "emergency powers to the president" ONLY is a defensive response to an enemy first strike against us.

 

Yer full of it and are reduced to a 3rd rate carny barker
trying to impress anyone willing or brave enough to buy a ticket
to see some aged Flora Dora chick in a grass skirt do the
Funky Chicken.

 

Since when is The Taliban considered a potential ally.Since Biden calls the shots.
Which the overwhelming populace understands to mean ... a Bully.An
Incompetent boob.A Political rascal of the first order.
I mean,at least college kids got a clue.Their chanting at college football
games ... { F*** Joe Biden ... sis boom bah }.
It is not Poss-e-bow to out-talk in a war.Like never was.Throughout mankind.
War is won by planning,strategic maneuvaring and overwhelming force.
Like the Way Truman's hand was forced with use of Fat Man and Little Boy.
There was no time to waste trying to impress upon Tojo's Japan to Halt.
This Milley slob doesn't even comprehend what a complete jerk he is.
Either that or he was forced to say ridiculous things about an arch enemy.

" A warlike spirit,which alone can create and civilize a state,is absolutely
essential to national defense and to national perpetuity.
The more warlike the spirit of the people,the less need for a large
standing army. " -- Douglas MacArthur

 

Ok, so, now you say that we (the U.S.) actually have no (NO) treaty obligation to China regarding what our military actions may or may not be at any given time. Glad you straightened that one out!

But now, then, exactly what was Gen. Milley's justification for allegedly 'blabbing his guts out' to the Chinese high command...?

You see, Te...? This very crucially serious situation must (MUST) be settled by a General Court Martial of Gen. Milley -- period. Anything less would be a complete repudiation of legal responsibility and treasonous in itself!

Afterthought: BTW, whatever other things you may think Trump guilty of, he didn't try to start a war with China....

 

Are you a Trump supporter?

 

Because Trump was cunning.He was engaged in a Trade war with China.
Without being an outright bully.That would be the Demcrats and
MSM approach.To bully anyone { other than Democrats } over what
Must be Done.
The Trade Deficit with China was a BIG part of his Economic Policy.

 

Yes,Trump was not interested in warring.,He had an aversion to it.
One reason he canned Mattis.Who was a War expert.But Trump did not
want any more of a heightened Military Industrial Complex.
A Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz mindset.But when a real enemy
reared their head,Trump was full speed ahead.Trump was prudent when it
came to warring.Mattis,a scholar on war history was not the man for
Trump's intentions.If a war rears it's head,handle it swiftly and get back
to normal.I disagree however in leaving Afghanistan completely.
There must be a residual force on hand to neutralize any Terrorism.
We had Afghanistan stabalized after pulling out combat troops in 2014.
That lesson should have be learned after Obama called the shot to
Vacate Baghdad.He was advised to leave around 16,ooo troops behind.
Obama left less that 1,ooo.

 

I repeat to your purely partisan defense of the OUTRAGEOUS acts of this general.

No it's fact, Milley acted in insubordination and against the UCMJ. If our intelligence was telling Milley anything they would have already told the President. Intelligence doesn't report to Milley, he has no authority over intelligence. If he heard it from someone else he had a duty to inform the Commander in Chief and take his orders from him.

You don't seem to understand who and what is the JCS and the CJCS. I don't care what you think about Trump he WAS THE PRESIDENT. Milley had PLENTY of avenues to assuage his fallacious concerns. He did NOT have the authority to do what it is reported he did, what are you missing here.

Stop trying to define my position I have clearly said from the getgo IF the ALLEGATIONS, If the reporting is accurate THEN...................but we know for a fact his insubordination the SecDef has stated it publicly and we know of the meeting he had with officers on the line claiming authority he DOES NOT HAVE.

Have you missed that Milley has not issued a statement deny what it is reported he said?

 

A fact?

Someone who claims Trump won doesn't know what a fact is.

So get ready to be outraged for a long time to come because Milley won't be accused of anything.

Not because this is yet another conspiracy against Trump, but because Milley acted lawfully in the best interests of the nation.

 

A fact, yep. Someone who has to make stuff up for lack of an facts. So either quote me claiming Trump won or admit you blew that one out your arse. I will persist until you do.

Oh I have NO DOUBT the Biden, who cares not a twit about the Constitution, and Austin will protect him.

It's not another just part of the HUGE one we already know about.

 

Trump has commented, and he's spot on.

 

The left truly believes in the Obama approach.No Matter how in wrong
one is then just double down.Or triple down.If impossibly bad then completely
Ignore and it will Go away.
A Childs way of dealing with wrong or festering problems.
Of course both Obama and Biden never met a payroll and were
basically political suits since graduating college.

 

Hatred for Trump and his supporters is so deep and dangerous the entire American experiment of “for the people and by the people” is on the edge of extinction. Leftists think that’s fine.

Mark Milley Exposes the Myth of American 'Democracy'
https://www.jewishworldreview.com/0921/hammer091721.php

“Milley's direct attack on civilian control of the military is but the latest indication that our wokeist ruling class will take no prisoners in its systemic assault upon the very pillars of the American constitutional order.

From Trump-era "deep state" malfeasance to imperious progressive judging to a woke Joint Chiefs chairman feeling justified in removing the duly elected commander in chief from the military chain of command, the ruling class has now thoroughly revealed the depths to which it is willing to sink in order to enact its agenda and force its political opposition to bend the knee.

Eyes wide open, the onus is now on the deplorables to resist such an anti-constitutional — indeed, anti-American — trampling.”

 

Democrats seem to like that.

 

I told you guys. These Leftists will bow to military power and control, as long as it's the "Woke Military". There was zero evidence of any Trump move towards nuclear war.

Leftists are all about Treason and Insurrection if it forwards their Authoritarian Marxist goals.

 

A nothing Burger to deflect from the failure of yesterday's protest on the January 6th arrests.

 

It's simple we don't have to quote you.
You've created a false question to ask. The real question is do you believe Trump is the Legitimate President or do you believe Biden is the deliberate president. . Instead you resort to a childish evasive action asking for a quote when you can clear this up right now! Thats not how this forum works. If we ask a question you should have the intestinal fortitude to answer it. If you don't that proves your hiding something. It's really that simple. You're afraid to give us the truth of the matter right now and that's a fact. The fact is you have no problem with Trump disrupting our democratic process our very way of life by claiming he is the legitimate president to all his followers. Far worse than Milley we now have more than one person claiming to be president and you could care less. For you to not denounce Trump as the LEGITIMATE president and for you to absolutely not affirm Biden as the LIGITIMATE president you have no respect for the Democratic process or the constitution. . You don't care in the least about the divisive massive disruptive process of Trump claiming he is the legitimate president in the country. Why should we hunt for a quote when you could simply tell us what you believe now? You are simply evasive and lacking in courage and that's all there is to it

By not affirming that Biden is the LEGITIMATE president and by not denouncing Trump claiming he is the LEGITIMATE president your hard far right wing position shows no respect for our constitution. So what do you care about whether Biden has respect for it?

The huge one is you and your right wingers persisting it's OK for Trump to claim he is the Legitimate President of the United States and you reinforcing that position by not stating that Biden is the LEGITIMATE PRESIDENT. You and the right wingers are part of the dangerous shredding of Democracy and our Elections. On post 506 you claimed the president was not mentally disturbed because you have bought into the things he said and believed.

 

Is this a joke?

You don't believe in the Big Lie and you still support Trump anyway?

Knowing he lies to his base, believing his own lies and the damage he causes by persisting in his fabrications.

Jesus...

 

Trump can’t possibly do as much damages as the Democrats have over the last five years. Get rid of Trump by any means necessary, remember that?

 

He's always spot on.

In an interview with Newsmax last week, he claimed that many states' results would soon be desertified.

How much longer do you think we have to wait before we classify this other Trump prediction as worthless?