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  1. Texas Republican

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    If Trump is Putin's puppet, why does Trump favor the Saudis over the Iranians?
     
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    Is it as easy to purchase a Ford in Germany as it is to purchase a Volkswagen in the U.S.?

    If not, those market barriers need to be addressed. Only a simpleton would not understand this.
     
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    Trump doesn't let politics get involved with his world view. He likes Russians because he thinks he can make deals with Putin and the crooks who surround him and make billions for his family while in the White House. Saudi Arabians are rich as hell and have close ties to the Texas oil barons who now run the State Department.
     
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    Longer than permanently
     
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    That is really funny! You are accurately describing Trump! You do realise that, right?

    By the way. . .you do realise that most of the German cars sold in the US are MADE IN THE US? Right? And that some of those German cars made in the US are also made for export!

    Most are made in the poorest states. . .the most Red states, those who voted for Trump! Let see what happens when Germany decides to take their marbles and go home. . .and build their cars in Germany for exportation every place in the world!

    What happens to those thousands of jobs that are currently held by good old Trump's supporters in Red states?

    Trump reportedly wants to stop Germans from selling so many cars ...
    www.slate.com/.../moneybox/.../trump_reportedly_wants_to_stop_germans_from_sell.
    "The German carmakers have been quite aggressive in building up their U.S. operations, too. In 1994, BMW opened a plant in Spartanburg, South Carolina.Having invested $7.8 billion in the plant, BMW now boasts that it is the company’s largest single facility in the world. And it has spurred investments by a range of suppliers throughout the state. The cars made in Spartanburg there include the EX3 and X5 Sports Activity Vehicle, and the X4 and X6 Sports Activity Coupe. Last year, Spartanburg produced a record 411,171 vehicles, about 34,000 per month. According to BMW, it sells about 26,000 cars per month in the U.S. Now, not all the cars BMW sells in the U.S. are made here. Some are shipped in from overseas. And many of the vehicles made in South Carolina—287,700 last year, or 70 percent—are exported to points around the world. The upshot: By exporting more finished vehicles from the United States than it imports to the United States, BMW may be helping to lower America’s trade deficit."
     
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    It is difficult to exaggerate the geopolitical significance of President Donald Trump's first excursion across the world stage, nor the extent to which one world leader can call it an unvarnished success....
    As David Frum, the neo-conservative former speechwriter for George W. Bush, has observed, the single most significant goal of Soviet Union and subsequently Russian foreign policy since the 1940s has been to undermine the alliance between Germany and US that provides for western European strength and stability.

    In November last year in The Atlantic magazine, Frum, an unwavering "Never Trumper", argued that should Trump be elected, increased popular scepticism towards the US in Germany would weaken an alliance already strained by Brexit.

    "The post-1945 vision of a secure and liberal Germany joined in an intimate partnership to the US and the United Kingdom will fail," he wrote. "In its place: a Germany more distant from its former English-speaking allies, more vulnerable to an aggressive Russia, more polarised and afflicted by extremism in the wake of Merkel's welcome of almost 2 million Middle-Eastern and North African migrants."

    This hasn't happened yet. NATO remains relevant whatever Trump says or fails to say. Merkel, who uses language as precisely as Trump does cavalierly, was careful to insert caveats into her comments. "The times in which we could rely fully on others – they are somewhat over."

    Speaking on the left-leaning cable news channel MSNBC after Trump's excursion to Europe, Frum argued that "Putin could not have achieved more [out of Trump's NATO meeting] if he had being paid for it".
    Courtesy of the Melbourne Age, Tuesday 30th May.
     
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    So are there any barriers to buying Ford and GM vehicles in Germany? If there are, the barriers need to come down. If not, this issue is moot.

    I guess Trump needs to send love letters to the European leaders to ease their insecurity.
     
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    Yeah, "Germany is Bad!" All diplomats talk like that
     
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    No, there aren't.

    Except that they do not meet the European standards, and that they are not at all popular in Europe. This is the reason why General Motor builds "alternate" brands (including Vauxhall, Saab, and OPEL) in Europe. In fact, Angela Merkel HELPED GM out of bankruptcy in 2008 by doing a business deal with them in Europe.

    Although there are many Fords, they are not made in the US. Ford Europe makes cars in England and in Germany (since 1967!). The models are often different from those sold in the US, as European have never liked "big boats" and "gaz guzzlers" and prefer middle to small size cars.
     
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    Trump is actually attacking American JOBS. I wonder how the workers in those German car factories IN AMERICA feel about Trump's remarks.

    Hint he's doing it to attack Merkel and NATO...and of course help the Russians
     
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    Woolley was being funny.
     
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    Holy crap dude your post is absolutely incredible your comments have nothing to do with the comments you're quoting
     
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    The liberal mind is wired incorrectly. Sad.
     
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    You just described your pathetic tweeter-in-chief perfectly. That dismal example of thin-skinned humanity is the epitome of 'snowflake'.
     
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    Pretty damn obvious when somebody's off in the bushes has nothing to do with left or right
     
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    Suggest you do your homework Saban opal are not General Motors products. The problem with American cars in Europe is true it's about size but the problem is they drive on sidewalks driving on sidewalks is illegal over here
     
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    Trump is a few follicles short of a full head of hair
     
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    I didn't vote for Clinton either didn't like either one of them it was obviously in the general election that they were both idiots so don't try and pretend Trump isn't an idiot because it's just flat obviously, there really isn't any discussion question or debate
     
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    Do you even know Saab and Opel? Because you misspelled both brands!

    Just do a little research before you write silly things. Although Saab and Opel are NO LONGER GM brands. . .they were until about one month ago!

    Wikipedia:
    "GM's core European brands are England-based Vauxhall and Germany-based Opel, which sell much the same range of cars in different markets. It formerly owned the Swedish Saab until early 2010 and sold Chevrolet models between 2005 and 2015. The U.S. brand Cadillac is imported into Europe in small quantities. In 2009, General Motors (GM) announced to move its European headquarters from Zurich, Switzerland to Rüsselsheim, Germany to strengthen its German subsidiary Opel.[3]

    On March 6, 2017, General Motors (GM) and PSA Peugeot-Citroën announced their agreement that PSA would buy GM's Vauxhall and Opel subsidiaries in a deal worth £2.2 Billion.[4][5]"

    There is a lot more where this comes from (Wikipedia)

    And also:

    Why GM's Reinvention of Saab Failed - The Cheat Sheet
    www.cheatsheet.com/.../heres-why-gms-reinvention-of-saab-didnt-work.html/?a=view...
    Mar 29, 2016 - By the time GM jettisoned Saab during their bankruptcy proceedings in 2010, ... By 2002, Saab's Opel-based cars were a global sales disaster, and the ... the marketplace led to the overall decline of its products and eventually ...

    And also:

    General Motors sells its European business for $2.3 billion - The Verge
    https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/6/14826722/general-motors-opel-vauxhall-sale
    Mar 6, 2017 - Peugeot SA will acquire General Motors' Opel and Vauxhall brands for $1.4 billion, while General Motors' European financial operations will be ...
     
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    Correct in other words your statement was wrong
     
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    Did you just say that my statement that Saab and Opel were GM brands wrong? Obviously they were GM cars. . .and participated in the downfall of the GM brand!

    You have a great sense of humour! I wonder if you learned your bad faith from the orange clown?
     
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    Good, we can agree at least on that one! I didn't like either one of them either! But I must say that, faced with a narcissistic and destructive idiot or an intelligent, experienced, but not too honest woman, I would take the intelligent, experienced woman! After all, there are very few honest politicians!

    My choice was Bernie Sanders!
     
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    You're playing games that's not what you said
     
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    It is EXACTLY what I said.
    Just lets put it this way: IF Saab and Opel were not GM brands in Europe. . .what other brand were they?

    Or, let's look at it another way: As of the end of March 2017. . . Saab and Opel are no longer subsidiary of GM. However, ALL the SAABS AND OPELS that are still on the road are STILL GM's! DUH!

    You said they were not GM. . .but then again, you didn't even know how to spell those two names!
     
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    There is no downfall of the GM brand you are making crap up
     

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