Yet more lies + war mongering from the usual suspects..

Perhaps that's just a coincidence...

Can anyone come up with something more obvious?

 

Occupation is an unseperatable part of war, let us know when peace (true peace) is on the menue.

 

Well a large part of the problem is that so many of ''your homes'' are built on land that does not belong to you.

What would you do if you found that someone had built a house on your land?

Should whoever built it refuse to surrender it?

I didn't mention either Jews in Germany, or Arabs in Israel. Please stop trying to divert the discussion.

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Which country would you claim Israel is at war with?

 

Yup.

That is probably just a 'rambling coincidence', and it 'just so happens to be'.

Is there an answer to your question that could be MORE obvious than that?



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They are not permitted to be critical of Gov policy.

 

I would focus my efforts in Internatinal pressure, UN courts etc', I would'nt shoot or bomb a single resturant, I would make the most peacful declarations the world has ever heard - given the fact Palestine needs to rely on Israel for commerse. things like that.

It doesnt have to be a "country" but the answer is the Palestinians.

 

They invert the meaning of everything.

When they say 'defence' it really means 'attack' etc...


Endemic US/Israeli Double-Think Is Now “Normal Discourse”


By acting as mouthpieces rather than critical interlocutors, the media are allowing such political figures to indict themselves with their own baseless, contradictory and hypocritical words. A few recent examples: Director of US National Intelligence James Clapper Jr in congressional testimony this week asserted that Iranian leaders are “now more willing to conduct an attack in the United States in response to real or perceived US actions that threaten the regime”.

The Washington Post reported the “intelligence” briefing with the headline: ‘Iran, perceiving threat from West, willing to attack on US soil, US intelligence report finds. Yet Clapper, the US nation’s supposed intelligence supremo, presents no evidence to support his reckless claim that Iranian forces are preparing such attacks. Indeed, the Washington Post notes in the same paragraph quoting the Director of National Intelligence: “US officials said they have seen no intelligence to indicate that Iran is actively plotting attacks on US soil.”

Then the paper goes on to amplify the unfounded accusations and assertions, by writing: “The warning about Iran’s more aggressive stance was included in written testimony that Clapper submitted to Congress”. Note how the paper in the space of few words moves effortlessly from acknowledging that there is no evidence to support Clapper’s claptrap premise to peddling the claptrap conclusion that Iran has taken a “more aggressive stance”.

Rather than taking Clapper to task to justify his hyperbole about Iranian “threats on American soil” and possibly misleading Congress and the American people, the Washington Post passively goes along with the flow of what appears to be out-and-out propaganda.

This meekness and complicity of the media in conditioning public opinion for a baseless war on Iran has echoes of the elusive, non-existent weapons of mass destruction that US President George W. Bush and British Prime Minister were allowed to lie about by the same media for their criminal war on Iraq. But, as noted, this abject “churnalism” may eventually be a good thing. For it allows political leaders and their advisors to hang themselves with their own words.

Another recent star-turn on the propaganda stage was that of US Defense Secretary Leon E Panetta who told CBS 60 Minutes programme at the weekend that Iran may be “one year away” from acquiring an atomic bomb. “That’s a red line for us, and it’s a red line, obviously, for the Israelis,” said Panetta. Yet only a few weeks ago Panetta admitted on national media that Iran was not trying to build a nuclear weapon. “

Are they trying to develop a nuclear weapon? No,” he said then. However, in no time at all, Panetta has pirouetted over Iran, and yet the mainstream media permit the farce to be aired instead of ripping it apart, exposing what could be criminal misinformation.

Only last week the pirouetting Panetta told the Wall Street Journal that the Pentagon needs to redesign its 30,000-pound bomb known as the Massive Ordnance Penetrator in order to take out Iranian nuclear facilities.

US workers and their families will be throwing more of their taxes into the coffers of Lockheed Martin to facilitate the Pentagon’s phallic fantasies – all on account of lies and deception, or at least no evidence to provide a modicum of justification.

Finally, Israeli President Shimon Peres weighs in with this ridiculous rant, given prominence by the Haaretz newspaper. This week Peres claimed that Iran’s ‘evil’ leaders cannot be allowed to obtain nuclear weapons, calling the Islamic Republic’s nuclear ambitions the world’s single most important issue, according to Haaretz.

“Nuclear weapons mustn’t be allowed to fall into the hands of Iran’s Ayatollah regime,” Peres said, calling Iran’s religious leadership the “most morally corrupt regime in the world… It is the duty of the international community to prevent evil and nuclear [weapons] from coming together. That is the obligations of most of the leaders of the free world, one which they must meet.” (Too late, evil already has them, and Peres is part of that evil)

Reality check. These are words from the leader of a country that has for decades violated international law and committed systematic crimes against humanity on the Palestinian people; that has invaded and occupied foreign territories; that runs clandestine murder and terror operations in foreign states; and that, to boot, possesses up to 300 nuclear weapons in contravention of international law.

This rogue, criminal state along with its patron in Washington is maligning another state over its legitimate pursuit of civilian nuclear energy and trying to precipitate a war that could most likely escalate into a global nuclear conflagration – all based on lies. Talk about lunatics running the asylum.

The propaganda fog over Iran in particular is becoming so thick it is almost laughable – because the political leaders who are spouting this fog don’t even seem to realize just how much they are tripping up over their own absurd statements. And thanks, in a way, to the pathetically servile mainstream media, the lies and deceptions of these political figures are being exposed for all their worthlessness and criminality.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/uncrit...li-double-think-is-now-normal-discourse/29012

 

Wasn't it 1985 when Hezbollah came into being... after the Israeli invasion?

Do remember... Israel had taken the Golan Heights 20 years earlier and destroyed some 50
Druze villages.

 

Are you joking?

Arab Knesset member were on the Marmara, they lead the protest against Beduween squat removal, they scream on Arab networks every time a Gazan hits his toenail on the fence, some even went to Lebanon during the last "war". you are very ill informed.

 

I agree that action in the international courts would be a good thing, but unfortunately the US and Israel will do everything in their power to prevent that from happening. Israel has threatened to withhold PA funds, and the US has already stopped contributing to UN agencies that recognise Palestine.

So, what is the difference between the Palestinians who are Israeli citizens, and the Palestinians who are not?

Why is Israel ''at war'' with the Palestinians that don't get to vote for the Israeli government, and who live under Israeli military rule, but not at war with the Palestinians who do get to vote for the Israeli government, and who live under civilian laws?

It really shouldn't be hard to figure out that the Palestinians are not the problem.

Israel is the problem.

 

It never ceases to amaze me at how somehow, so many people are led to believe that Israel is actually ''defending itself,'' when it attacks and occupies other countries.

Far too many people seem to believe what their governments and MSM tell them to believe, rather than look up the facts and make up their own minds.

 

"It’s no coincidence that between 1992 and 1995, Yitzhak Rabin, the one Israeli prime minister who forged an alliance with the Arab parties (even though they never officially joined his government), doubled spending on education for Israeli Arabs, ended the discrepancy between the amount the government paid Jewish and Arab families per child, introduced affirmative action to boost the number of Arab citizens in Israel’s civil service and built dozens of health clinics in Arab Israeli communities. And by Rabin’s final year in office, according to the University of Haifa’s Sammy Smooha, the percentage of Israeli Arabs who rejected Israel’s “right to exist” had hit an all-time low...."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ies-are-excluded-from-israeli-coalitions.html


What happened to Rabin?

 

He's right. He's just as right as JFK and the so called war mongers who tried to do something in Cuba before the USSR put those missiles there. They are trying to avert war, and anyone who is so blind to think that Iran having nuclear tech should be fine, a country whose leaders have repeatedly stated their intentions and/or hopes that Israel will be wiped off the map, is really really confused on HOW exactly you avoid major wars. Just as the idiots who didn't want us to intervene in Cuba were too short sighted to see the imminent WWIII situation that inaction in Cuba would produce. Same thing here, and same short sighted people who don't see the need for intervention in Iran to prevent nuclear capability.

 

Wasnt Israel invasion....after terrorists crossed from Lebanon and murdered families in their homes, held kids hostage in school and executed them ?

Druze villages were abandoned, save the drama to Syria.

 

Read your history. The Arabs have united and attacked Israel on multiple occasions. They fire rockets into Israeli cities even today. You should place yourself in the shoes of an Israeli citizen. It would be idiotic for Israel to NOT annex those invasion routes. If Vancouver, Canada had been used for an invasion route into the USA by armies trying to invade the USA twice within 50 years, as well as Vancouver being used as a staging ground to fire rockets into the USA, you can bet your ass the US would have annexed that territory. As would any other nation in the world, if they had the capability.

 

And Palestinians continue with the bloodshed so its hardly "been tried already" excuse..

Those that stayed in 1948 and ccepted the state and being citizens of it, those that did'nt reject it still, they dont want to be part of Israel they want an Arab state, kind of what you suggested.

No, the fact there are Arab citizens proves Israel is not the racist state you want it to be thus its mere existance is not the problem, Arab nationalism is.

As for "why", like I said the Arab citizens accepted Israel and Palestinians didnt. some of them say they do now...

 

Well, here's the thing. And this esp but not exclusively applies to those in the US - they have had around 50yrs of relentless brainwashing, be that in said media or by said Gov 's. Over and over and over and over. They get born into it. It is drilled into their nut from day one, and it never stops. Even if they throw out their tv they can't get away from it, it finds a way of finding them.

It would take a long time to undo that damage. Could it be done? Yes, but since the conditions are extreme, it would take 'extreme' measures. The results would be worth it though(obviously).

Besides which, in all reality and truth, the idea of a mass having an uprising is generally the stuff of Jewish Communist fantasy.

In reality it is not the mass that surge forth and exact change, it always begins with a few dedicated souls.

The mass are followers, not leaders.

 

Quite so , - plus see "How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas "
as 'An Alternative to the PLO'

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123275572295011847.html


....Thanks to the Mossad, Israel's "Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks", the Hamas was allowed to reinforce its presence in the occupied territories. Meanwhile, Arafat's Fatah Movement for National Liberation as well as the Palestinian Left were subjected to the most brutal form of repression and intimidation

".Let us not forget that it was Israel, which in fact created Hamas. According to Zeev Sternell, historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, "Israel thought that it was a smart ploy to push the Islamists against the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO)".

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/ZER403A.html
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Tedious stuff.

 

Hamas relentless terror created his murderer, I see both of them as terrorists.

 

Hamas 'created his murderer'?

What with?

 

If someone is shooting at you from a hill you have every right to climb that hill and kick his ass. even if he is an Arab.

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With daily Bus and resturant bombings while in middle of a peace process, fanatics saw it as most severe existance threat, retreat under fire while civilians die.

 

No deadly serious stuff

 

What is behind relentless propaganda against Iran? Persians are peaceful people and are not threat to the western world whatsoever. What's more they are not threat to Jewish people. Iranians treat Jews well. Zionist spread nonsense and lies. Zionists tried to bribe Iranian Jews to leave Iran so they could use them as propaganda tool. Unsuccessfully. Iranian Jews told them to bugger off. Have a look at this 'horrifying' videos.

Horrifying, Graphic Video of Iranian Leader Savagely Abusing Jews

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad meets leaders of Neturei Karta International (www.nkusa.org) an anti-Zionist Jewish group on Monday, September 24, 2007, at the start of a visit to New York for the U.N. General Assembly meeting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-r04SQ97_Q#t=16

More Iranian 'barbarity' towards Jews:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn4ZX99Fbxs


Documentary , the reality about Jews in Iran . 25 synagogues in Tehran only.

 

Gilos from your knowledge , if Palestinians cease "terror " attacks , do you think Israel will stop stealing their land ?"

Stop Discriminating against them , treating them as third class inhabitants (squatters) denying them their legitimate rights under international law and treat them as equals ? .

You say

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I find that's not true . coz this article was in Haaretz a while ago :

"Apartheid without shame or guilt
We're racists, the Israelis are saying, we practice apartheid and we even want to live in an apartheid state. Yes, this is Israel.

As elections draw near, the season of public opinion surveys is upon us. But here is a survey that is more disturbing and significant in its revelations than those informing us whether Yair Lapid is taking off or Ehud Barak is crashing in the polls.
This one lays bare an image of Israeli society, and the picture is a very, very sick one. Now it is not just critics at home and abroad, but Israelis themselves who are openly, shamelessly, and guiltlessly defining themselves as nationalistic racists.
We're racists, the Israelis are saying, we practice apartheid and we even want to live in an apartheid state. Yes, this is Israel.


Among its terrifying results, the survey discovers a certain innocent candor. The Israelis admit this is what they are and they're not ashamed of it. Such surveys have been held before, but Israelis have never appeared so pleased with themselves, even when they admit their racism. Most of them think Israel is a good place to live in and most of them think this is a racist state.

It's good to live in this country, most Israelis say, not despite its racism, but perhaps because of it. If such a survey were released about the attitude to Jews in a European state, Israel would have raised hell. When it comes to us, the rules don't apply.

The "Jewish" part of "Jewish democracy" has won big time. The "Jewish" gave "democracy" a knockout, smashing it to the canvas. Israelis want more and more Jewish and less and less democracy. From now on don't say Jewish democracy. There's no such thing, of course. There cannot be. From now on say Jewish state, only Jewish, for Jews alone. Democracy - sure, why not. But for Jews only.

Because that's what the majority wants. Because that's how the majority defines its state. The majority doesn't want Arabs to vote for the Knesset, Arab neighbors at home or Arab students at school. Let our camp be pure - as clean of Arabs as possible and perhaps even more so.

The majority wants segregated roads in the West Bank and does not flinch in the face of the implications. Even the historic connotation does not bother it in the slightest. It wants discrimination in the workplace and it wants transfer. Enough with the whitewashing and pretence. This is what we want. Because that's the way we are.

The right will probably attack the New Israel Fund for commissioning the survey. Gevalt! It will screech. Leftists, Israel-haters. But the right's hollering will not change the result. This was done by a reliable, well-known polling firm. Besides, what's wrong with the survey? What didn't we know before, apart from the loss of shame?

Let the right prove that this is not the way we are, that most Israelis want to live with Arabs. That most of them see Arabs as people like themselves, their equals in rights and opportunities. Let's see them prove it wrong. That would be a true cause for celebration.

The survey does not only confront Israelis with their present, but with their future as well. This appears to be the survey conductors' main goal.

It tells them: You wanted settlements, you wanted occupation, you want Netanyahu and you've done nothing for the two-state solution, and it's died. Now let's see what's the alternative.

The alternative, as every infant knows, is one state. One state? Most Israelis say it will be an apartheid state, yet are doing nothing to prevent it. Some of them even want it. They don't even ask, Where are we going? Where are we being led? What's the vision for the next 10, 20 years? Well, if all goes well, if all continues they way it is now, the Israelis know the answer and it's a bitter one indeed.
Until then, the image of Israel 2012 is this: We don't want Arabs, don't want Palestinians, don't want equality, and the hell with all the rest.

Values-shmalues, morals-shmorals. Democracy and international law - those are matters for anti-Semites, not us.

We will vote for Netanyahu again, recite that we're the only-democracy-in-the-Middle-East and wail that the whole world is against us.

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Survey,was conducted by Dialog on the eve of Rosh Hashanah, exposes anti-Arab, ultra-nationalist views espoused by a majority of Israeli Jews

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http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/apartheid-without-shame-or-guilt.premium-1.471650

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Gilos, why should'nt one accept that to be the truth about the majority of Israelis ?


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Let us clarify few things here.

The following correction was printed in the Guardian's Corrections and clarifications column, Saturday July 28 2007

Well done Iranian Jews.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/jul/12/israel.iran