Yet more lies + war mongering from the usual suspects..

Well, given that Jews didn't say anything to the contrary(rest assured they would if they did not like it), and given other factors, then yes, the statement of Biden has merit.

But let's not drift too far from Israeli warmongering.

 

If Iran would abolish what they've started building,
and replace it with Solar panels, perhaps there would be a cause for reconsideration.

 

I defer to your infinitely greater knowledge and expertise in spouting the "usual blah blah crap".

Well for one, any idiot knows there is a difference between control and influence. Might want to get a dictionary.

Second, any idiot knows that the US is an staunch ally of Israel and last I looked, allies supported each other.

Now, if you wish to simplistically equate Israel with all the various flavours of zionism, then you appear to be willing to ignore the millions of Israelis and jews who believe that zionism has achieved its goal, and that it has been replaced by a rather common thing called patriotism.

I await any post of yours that is actually "informative" as opposed to your familiar mindless parroting of dumb propaganda slogans.



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Solar is just plain bescheuert, mein Freund. Even Germany imports energy from nuclear plants located outside of Germany, if I'm not much mistaken.

There is no reason Iran shouldn't be able to pursue nuclear energy peacefully.

 

good question.
Why does the US not sign on to the ICC or the land mines treaty or any number of other international treaties? IOW, they must have their own reasons.

Personally I believe that pride goeth before the fall.

 

I think the big difference is this.
O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. - 8:65

 

Where did you read that it took Pakistan 17 years?

They built their nuke weapons program off Canada's Candu reactor...it was a huge scandal here and I doubt it took 17 years.

 

The US doesn't join Canada's lead on land mines treaties because they have the most land mines deployed...and they would be held responsible for cleaning them up in places like Vietnam.

Iran won't allow inspectors because they would find that Iran really is building nukes.

 

There are some tough words and nasty stories in the Bible, too. Doesn't mean much.

 

I said "something like", and I indicated that the lead time for the other countries was less.
The point is that Iran has had much longer than any of them, with very willing help from Russia, if they wanted it.
In spite of having had more than enough time, it hasn't happened. That IS the point.
There was some speculation about the last test that was conducted in N. Korea being an Iranian weapon, but the yield was very low, suggesting tactical level.
If Iran had any desire to have nukes, they would have already been in existence for a long time.

 

Why are we such staunch allies of theirs? All they do is try to suck us into conflicts they help create.

 

But it depends upon who is theocratic.

 

Bah. Religion is chiefly for the stupid masses It helps leaders to remain in power and get more from their people, but it's not about to take a nation to a destructive war against another.

 

Be careful, don't call them as such,
there's a possibility that they will order a fatwa against you.

 

That might bring some excitement to my humdrum existence.

Do you know if the Ayatollah has an email address?

 

What a lot of utter nonsense. Hezbollah came into existence in order to defend Lebanon from Israel, and Hamas is the elected government of Palestine, which has vowed to defend their country from foreign aggression, just like any independent country that is under attack would.

Whether any government designates any individual or organisation as ''terrorists'' makes not one iota of difference to my opinion of them. You can think what your government tells you to think if you want, but I'll look up the facts for myself.

 

This -

 

Of course there is an option. Give everyone that lives under Israeli control, the right to vote for the Israeli government. Give the Palestinian refugees the same ''right of return'' that Jews who have never been to Israel, currently have.

Basically, Israel would need to treat gentiles the same as Jews. What are the chances of that happening?

 

Let's get a Rabbinical perspective...


“Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat,” he said to some laughter.

Yosef, the spiritual leader of the Shas Party and the former chief Sephardi rabbi of Israel, also said that the lives of non-Jews are protected as Jews should do so for a donkey, in order to prevent financial loss to Jews.

“With gentiles, it will be like any person: They need to die, but God will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money. This is his servant. That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew.”

http://www.jta.org/2010/10/18/news-...rdi-leader-yosef-non-jews-exist-to-serve-jews

And we may as well short circuit their usual reaction to this which is along the lines of...

"Oh, no one listens to him, he is a joke figure here"...


“Well-Respected Giant”

“Hundreds of thousands of Jews from Israel and abroad are following the news from Jerusalem’s Hadassah hospital, praying that 93-year-old Rabbi Ovadia Yosef makes some sort of (miraculous?) recovery and regains some of his strength,” Kalman wrote.

“Rabbi Ovadia Yosef isn’t only an individual, he’s the last giant standing, the man who symbolizes the end of an era.

“Rav Ovadia left his mark on the entirety of Israeli society and also on many Jews living across the world. He did so in the political world – where he created a party that gave a large social group a renewed sense of communal pride, – but he also made drastic moves as a rabbi issuing rulings in Jewish law.

“Rav Ovadia was, in short, THE person you needed to consult if you wished to make a significant decision related to Jewish law (halacha).

“Rav Ovadia became known as Maran – a traditional Jewish title meaning the head rabbi of a place. Even when he was no longer the official chief rabbi of Israel, the title remained.

“Even as Rav Ovadia fights for his life, the inheritance battle has begun, with people clamoring to gain his title of Maran. While someone might net a political victory and be called by the name Rav Ovadia was, it’s clear that, at this time, no rabbi can fill the giant void he’ll leave behind,” Kalman concluded

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/rav-ovadia-the-last-giant-of-a-generation/

 

(Vid coverage in linkage)

US officials have snubbed Israel’s pressure aimed at dissuading Washington from engaging with Iran over Tehran’s nuclear energy program.


“We have an obligation. It would be diplomatic malpractice of the worst order not to examine every possibility of whether or not you can achieve that before you ask people to take military action and do what you have to do in order to prevent something from happening,” said US Secretary of State John Kerry.

US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel also said, “I think we are wise, if the Iranians have reached out - which they have - to, in a very clear-eyed way - and we are - test their actions with their words.”

The two US officials made the comment during a joint press conference with Japan’s Foreign Minister Fumio Kishida in Tokyo on Thursday.

Kerry also said the US would not take any Iranian offer at “face value” and that Tehran will have to prove its transparency about its nuclear energy program.

Both officials, however, reaffirmed Washington’s support for Israel in case of what they called a security threat.

The comments come after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu delivered a speech at the United Nations General Assembly on October 1, threatening unilateral military action against Iran to destroy the country’s civilian nuclear facilities.

He repeated his baseless accusation that Tehran is seeking to develop nuclear weapons, saying, “Iran wants to be in a position to rush forward to build nuclear bombs before the international community can detect it and much less prevent it.”

A day before his UN speech, Netanyahu also met with US President Barack Obama. During the meeting, Netanyahu asked Obama to toughen the sanctions against the Islamic Republic if it continues what he called a nuclear weapons program.

Netanyahu’s attempts to pressure the US came after President Hassan Rouhani of Iran held a telephone conversation with his American counterpart Barack Obama on September 27 in the first direct communication between an Iranian and a US president since Iran’s Islamic Revolution of 1979.

The US, Israel, and some of their allies have repeatedly accused Iran of pursuing non-civilian objectives in its nuclear energy program.

Tehran has categorically rejected the allegation, arguing that as a signatory to the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) and a member of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), it is entitled to develop nuclear technology for peaceful purposes.


http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/10/03/327337/us-rebuffs-israels-pressure-over-iran/

 

When you leave no room for other ppl to live next to you - its not "defending" - its war of aggresion.

 

Exactly!

Normally, countries make alliances with each other for obvious reasons. For example, Britain, France and Poland were allies in the 1930s because they thought Hitler was a threat. Egypt, Syria and Jordan were allies in the 1960s because they thought Israel was a threat.

While there's no doubting the obvious benefits that Israel gets from it's ''alliance'' with the US, why should the US care what happens to some itty bitty country stuck out in the middle east, that has no oil, to speak of?

Now if it was a matter of upholding international law, particularly given America's self-described role as ''the world policeman,'' then defending countries that are under threat of attack would be the obvious thing to do. Yet the US puts itself at risk of attacks, such as the ones on 9/11, for supporting what is by far the most aggressive nation in the middle east, as it continually contravenes international law by attacking and occupying other countries.

So, why is the US ''allied'' with Israel?

 

Because it's Fed Gov, Fed Reserve and corporate media is totally dominated by Jews.

 

No, when you're occupying someone else's land, is when it's not ''defending.''

Israel ''defends'' itself in the same way that any country that's occupying someone else's land has to ''defend'' itself from the people who live there, and their allies.

 

lol that's not an option, that's surrendering to the Arabs and destroying our homes, that's an example of Arab "peace", "we'll accept you when you are under our boot", not intersted but let us know if you have a fair solution.

and if "gentiles" would'nt have the same rights Jews have there wouldnt be any Arabs in Israel, no Arab political parties either. seems like the "poor and oppressed" Arabs in Israel prefer that life over living in Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon or any other Arab country, hardly the choice Jews made under Nazi Germany...., so set your facts right please.