Your position on Legalizing drugs

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  1. Balto

    Balto Well-Known Member

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    The keyword here is, “moderation.” If you get addicted, it’s up to you to seek help before it gets you. This may sound insensitive but, if you know you need help, and you didn’t get help, and you become dead and gone, you are no better than the idiots who ate Tide Pods. Don’t ruin it for the rest of the nation not to enjoy it because you abused it. It sounds cruel, but it’s the truth.
     
  2. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    In general terms, it does not sound insensitive, it sounds quite naïve. Human behavior can be influenced by legislation and good intentions, but usually in all the wrong ways.
     
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    Yeah it's always about tax revenue with liberals. But lets go ahead an remove as many impediments to drug addiction as we can.
     
  4. Pants

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    How do you think we're going to pay for the universal healthcare we want? And all the other social programs? I would have thought you'd be all for it, seeing as we wouldn't be reaching into your pocket to pay for them?

    Also, since when are the right concerned about drug addiction as a problem to be addressed by the government? Last time I checked, weed isn't listed as an 'addictive' drug. And did you miss the rest of my post that addressed the needs of those addicted to 'needle drugs'?
     
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    Being addicted to government money is as dangerous as being addicted to drugs, that at least some of the reason for the increase in drug addiction being hopeless and dependent causes drug addiction.
     
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    Creating a revenue stream which can pay for the healthcare of a nation is hardly addiction to government money. The posts I read against universal healthcare are almost always about 'who will pay' and 'I shouldn't have to pay for lazy welfare moms'. I am suggesting a way for everyone in the country to receive healthcare coverage and the payment for it wouldn't come out of your pocket unless you decided to buy weed. Your choice.
     
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    I say legalize all drugs. Not my problem if someone decides to f their life up because they were stupid enough to use hard drugs like cocaine, meth, heroin, etc.
     
  8. Thought Criminal

    Thought Criminal Well-Known Member Donor

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    People are dropping, like flies, from opioids.

    It is even driving down life expectancy statistics.

    Last year, more people died from opioid overdoses than died in car crashes. Bear in mind that rapid intervention has saved many lives. The death toll could easily be much higher.
     
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  9. Observing

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    I think we could have gold plated facilities. The US spends 1 trill a year on illegal drugs. and almost that on prisons half of which are incarcerated due to drugs. We could spend 20% of what we spend on incarcerating drug users and sellers and treat the addicted at the 4 seasons.
     
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    That's not the problem. The problem is that the unregulated drug industry doesn't have standards.
     
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    Please note that most of the overdoses were from Blackmarket drugs most laced with fentanyl. legal drugs sold at a licensed dispensary will be selling generic but quality controlled and dosage controlled "pills" No more doses where it is twice as strong at it was yesterday from the same seller.
     
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    The industry will be as regulated as the alcohol and tobacco industries. the pills will be noted and sold just like medicine by the milligram. You know ten mills gives you a nice high that is what you buy, 20 mill "nods you out" in two min, that is too much for you. You know what proof your alcohol is you don't drink bourbon like beer.
     
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    kind of a stretch don't you think.
     
  14. Thought Criminal

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    Not at all. Escape from hoplessness is a big factor.
     
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    Nope. If you are happy with your life and think you are in control you really don't need drugs or do them. The reason you see all those deaths in the Hood is largely over who gets to sell which illiicit drugs on what corner.
     
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    Okay first you won't even get close to enough money to fund health care for everyone. The primary users of illicit drugs are the poor set the taxes to high and they won't be able to afford it and will still be buying it illegally.

    2nd that isn't even in the vicinity of what was talking about.
     
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    If the government controlled the recreational and medicinal pot market, I think that it could very nicely augment the corporate taxes to pay for healthcare. And it also creates an entirely new industry offering jobs.
     
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    Right like government meddling lowers the cost of much of anything without creating black markets else where. Do people still make moonshine? Didn't some dude in die while being arrested for selling loose cigarettes in Deblasio's NYC not too long ago? You'll be lucky if you don't spend half your money enforcing your pot taxes.
     
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    Yes. it's been used very successfully in Portugal
     
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    My take on it? Give addicts as many or as much drugs as they want, and gratis. The quid pro quo - they must be segregated/isolated from wider society.
     
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    That's not a definition, FYI.

    It would be interesting if you could find some legislator or politician from Portugal who describes their legalization efforts as "decriminalization".
     
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    Cannabis should never have been prohibited

    fentanyl kills.

    a small vial can be fedexed from China in that can kill a small city.. it is a WMD and needs very strict control

    alcohol is a legal drug and kills millions every year
     
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    Drugs should be re-legalized.
     
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    What dispensary is going to sell fentanyl? The dispensary are not going to sell crack or crystal either. There will be Cocaine and amphetamines, opiods, hallucinogens, pot There will be no demand for those dangerous drugs when safer more potent (as far as "high") are available. And if someone tries to blackmarket it how much can they sell it for if the real stuff is so cheap. Where is the incentive to break the tax law if there is no real money to be made
     

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