Our education system could get a boost by copying Finland

Correct, imagine a Finnish students suing over a t shirt? LOL

 

There is nothing wrong with exercise time or casual sports initiated by students, but there can be zero justification why the public education system spends even $1 on sports programs. And as obtuse and crazy and extreme as this seems, this is precisely where we need to start in order to have a MAJOR overhaul of the public education system. But IMO the collective we are not capable or smart enough to have this discussion so I suspect the status quo for decades to come...

 

are your serious? Studies after studies have shown that physical exercise and team work are as valuable to education as book learning.

Probably 1/3 of the kids in our school would be obese if not for the small amount of physical exercise they get in school.

 

Nothing is free so it is always about the money but I understand your comment.

Eliminate sports and any other non-academic BS, focus all the resources on education. In parallel, all the local governments who are 100% at fault for allowing decayed and ghettoed and war-zone neighborhoods, need to fix this problem immediately. It is unconscionable to me that in the USA where we spend $3.8 trillion per year at the federal level and who knows what at state and local government levels, and we have these areas which are totally ignored! If any American cannot safely walk the streets anywhere in the USA then it is impossible to expect kids to focus on school, do homework, and have a chance in life. Additionally, governments allow public schools to turn to ruin? We spend billion$ on schools and $0 on maintaining them...there is no excuse other than a dereliction of duties why every single school building is not maintained. Then as I'm thinking you imply, the public education is bloated with bureaucracy and inefficiency and poor employees and they are basically unaccountable so how can a 'starting place' for improvement ever be found...

 

It is not the job of public education to worry about obese kids? The only involvement in this area the education system should have is providing quality and nutritional food which does not encourage obesity.

In my post I mentioned 'exercise time' but this is not organized sports.

There are many schools in this nation, from elementary to college that have no sports programs and they do just fine...

 

Oh , I disagree. A physically fit student does better in school than a less physically fit one does, that's a fact. this is why we feed those who are in need to.

 

Without sports some schools would have even less money than they do. Some of the fund raising always goes back into the school. Sad to say, many kids who become very successful due to sports would probably be robbing people otherwise, just like when they dn't succeed and go on to the same activities. To think if they just applied themselves to math instead they would've been successful, would be quite naive. Just saying.

Besides, gym has been eliminated at loads of school. And, PE was a mainstay when I grew up and long before than, and there weren't the same problems. What's changed since then? The breakdown of family and insane beuracracy Democrats have turned education into, that's what. You don't see mass amounts of kids failing in private schools. What's the difference?

Just look to those in charge, at home and at the administration levels. All the problems linger right there. Its rarely the teachers, since you can blame administration/unions on keeping the lousy ones around.

 

Yep, sports in school is definately one of those things that you have to look at in terms of diminishing returns. If a school in Dallas drops its football program to save $100K a year and then those football players all end up committing thousands of dollars worth of property crimes after dropping out of high school and go on welfare and have children who end up on welfare rather than going on to college, what have you gained?

 

People who merely know how to do something is not what America needs. Most American boys "know how to" play baseball but can't even make their high school teams. We have to concentrate on giving those with the most talent the same advantages only the children of the rich have now. To do that, we must take away birth privileges because the American people can't afford to have inferior people put in superior positions through Daddy's Money.

The children of the rich live off a satisfying allowance in college, proving that those who tell us to work our way through college know perfectly well that it is normal to drop out of having to live like that. It is childish, depressing, and insulting. College is class-biased indentured servitude. None of our hired opinionators focus on that, so their reforms all miss the point.

The plutocrats protect their Heirheads from what they demand of everybody else. This also affects studying in high school. What is the point if it only leads to four more years of living like a child? I wasted my time in high school studying for something that was designed for the children of the rich. But it is forbidden to question hereditary supremacy. That cancerous ideology slants all our required thinking.

 

Those who only think they know how to think often resort to intellectual extortion, like you just did. Any kid who would turn to crime just because no sports are available is not worth saving. Someone who would use that excuse is a natural-born enemy of society and should be severely discouraged from ever following his natural instincts.

 

You're patently wrong my friend.

Many kids would drop out of school if they didn't love sports. Their love of sports translates into them doing the work to do well enough in school to stay on the team. It's an incentive for many.
It works.

Are there some that there is no hope for? Of course there is. but there are MANY more who only need a reason to try. Some form of carrot. Then they take that and do well.

 

Most students don't participate in organized sports so your much-loved sports is only serving a small percentage of students...and it comes at a cost! Again, public education should not be involved in organized sports. If the private sector wants this then let them fund it outside of the education system. If pro sports teams want kids involved in sports then provide farm teams and systems. My suggestion was to provide a nutritional breakfast and lunch for free to all school kids...

 

MOST of the money spent on our sports programs is in fact donated. I just looked last year we spent more on the band than we did on the football team, just as an example.

 

No absolutely not. The question is however, are those difference spread out according to factors such goegrpahical origin, race, ethnicity etc.

The trouble is you seem to be assuming that reductions in results are due to teaching standards or lack of rather than other factors.

Was what you used to do the fundamental causal actor in the production of the results you seek?

 

People have no idea exactly how school systems work or they wouldn't even say some of the things they do.

 

They don't do well. Leave the carrots for Bugs Bunny. Jocks only study enough to pass. People like that soon forget whatever you give them credit for learning. They don't belong in school anyway if they need unrelated incentives. You just want to create misleading data on graduation rates with this intelligence-insulting scam.

You limit incentives to those who are good at sports. If you want to play that game, why not have beauty contests to give pretty girls an incentive to stay in school? In fact, don't waste any money on school subjects; spend most of it on giving incentives to people who have no other reason to study. Let's focus on them, forget those who we need most to be there. Within sports, this is like having the football coach ignore his team and spend his time on improving those he had to cut for the team. It is also as stupid as also requiring him to give his starting positions to those with the highest grades.

These frivolous incentives are excuses for not giving students learning-related incentives to do schoolwork. Our parasite economic system is set up to never give rewards for mental work (see the movie "21," where the main character says that casino gambling was the first time in his life that he ever got paid for using his brains). Our indentured-servitude education creates sheep who will demand less pay when they finally do get paid only after they are employed. Preparation is the most important part of production. Ignoring that has caused our economic decadence.

As for athletic "scholarships," which is a contradiction in terms, why not have university-owned topless bars and give "scholarships" to bimboes? That's in line with your anti-intellectual thinking, because your ilk would say that the money made from strip joints would finance the education of the other students, so it's all good.

 

And if those differences like all phyisical attributes are generic then wouldn't they be concentrated by population?

Yes as we have seen the standards declining and core education falling to the wayside.


And we didn't have "actors", we had compitent teachers concentrating on core subject matter while instilling proper discipline.

 

OK.. Where are the Black kids?? What did they do with them??

 

Those of us who are less intelligent, need the help of you who are more intelligent, so that we can come up to the proper standard.

 

It depends on the makeup of the population, their socioeconomic background annd culture.

Shall we get to the route of it? Youre saying its less likely a black man will win a nobel prize in physics any time soon because in general their, lets say 'brain wiring', is not up to the task are you not?

Or have we instead witness massive socioeconomic and cultural change while teaching standards are much the same?

Yes we had causal actors, its just an expression, are you offering definitive evidence that todays teachers are not a patch on yesterdays? Perhaps its just the material they have to work with.

 

Because High IQs create all the wealth stolen from them by corporate parasites, the ruling class structures education so that the other students despise and humiliate them from childhood on. With my radical revision of the purpose of this structure, the smart kids would have the same social clout as someone who hits a game-winning home run.

 

I had an idea today. I think that organized sports, for high school through college ages, should be taken out of schools and privatized. The kids would not get paid, but then it would be truly extra-curricular activity. I agree that we have put athletics on much too high a pedestal relative to academics. It's totally backwards.

 

How much is spent on sports facilities and maintenance of facilities?

How much is spent on teachers and administration for sports?

How much is spent on equipment, clothing, travel, lodging, etc.?

 

I can't prove it, but I think some elites don't want people to be very educated, that way they will be easier to control. I remember once hearing a radio talk show host ask why do we teach people stuff like political science.

 

Is the pool of potential black candidates smaller than that of other races? I don't have a direct link to a study but looking at graduation rates and scholastic achievement I would say yes less likely, wouldn't you?

I think the former is what has changed the latter and many of the principals of those changes are being taught in the schools.

There has been a genetic change in our new born since the 50's?