Nuclear Deal Reached With Iran

Which kind of democracy? That which is acceptable to American interests, or the kind which it likes to overthrow if America can't get its own way? Some might call that fascism...

 

It's 'Persians', but don't let accuracy get in the way of your glee at a natural disaster.

 

I'm so sorry, Iran is a nation hitch has given so much to humanity, but that's not what the gentleman prior is talking about.
http://www.kasjo.net/reeedcontrov.pdf

But many support that which hides itself from the horrors it purports to use through necessity for self preservation and security,
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Neither is true, Talmud degenerates and Zionism are both aberrations of humanity which stems from "gods chosen" and a superior delusion of their creed.
Israel is against the teachings of the Torah, but gods chosen has the right to use you the goy, in any manner they choose, animals, beasts of burden have no rights.
Regards
Highlander

 

I treat my non-jews very nice, they get 6 h sleep and one day off a month to do their non-jew stuff, how does your master treat you ?

 

You might be a very nice gentleman, but historically your nazi Talmud zionists have nailed their colours firmly to the degenerates mast.
But you can of course enlighten me regarding the torahs teachings and Israel perhaps the 40 years in the wilderness being the last punishment, what do you suppose his wrath will be this time.

Regards
Highlander

 

What in Israel that's against the Torah?, there is no connection between the Talmud and Zionism...., in fact they abit oppose, Talmud is a "rule" book for worshiping God in the absence of a Temple and away from the Holy land, Zionism is making the state in the Holy land, not to mention 2,000 ~ years stand between the two.

 

I think you should take that idea and stick it where it will do the most good.

 

This is a very interesting article that was published in Haartez. last week.

‘In a single moment, I stopped being religious’

Orthodox before her aliyah, Eva Illouz explains how Judaism lost its sacredness in Israel.

By Eva Illouz, Ha’aretz
November 23, 2013

http://jfjfp.com/?p=52249

 

http://www.kasjo.net/reeedcontrov.pdf

Hope this helps you

Regards
Highlander

 

http://www.chrisspivey.co.uk/intern...locaust-death-toll-of-camp-inmates-at-271301/

Hope this also helps..... But do you know, for even saying this individuals have gone to prison for years perpetrating these lies.

Regards
Highlander

 

No doubts, no doubts... here's one of the latest Iran's gifts to humanity - a finger cutting machine. Progress is good



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Happy Hanukah, my friend

 

Yet somehow Muslims never lose theirs, do they.

 

IMO the writer is brilliant.

 

I'm not talking about style, I'm talking about how Muslims are as hypocritical and self serving as anyone else. The idea that their claims to the Holy Land are somehow more justified is simply nonsense.

 

The Arabs of Palestine are being systematically driven out.

IMO they have as much right to live where they have lived for the Past 2000 years as the Israelis.

The ethnic cleansing of the Negev is a sad and painful happening.. No Jewish person could support this inhumanity.

The Desert of Israeli Democracy

A Trip Through the Negev Desert Leads to the Heart of Israel’s National Nightmare

By Max Blument

Oct 13, 2013

http://jfjfp.com/?p=50288

 

Maybe the situation would be a little different if there weren't so many different groups committed to the destruction of Israel. If they were perhaps a little less intransigent on this issue things might be different.

 

Aye Dutch you have made your understanding of human norms clear over a period of time.

But I don't have your axe to grind.

Highlander

 

My condolences on tragedy in Glasgo... sincerely.

 

Who exactly is committed to the destruction of Israel??

That seems to be a kneejerk defense to justify bad acts.

 

Very good question if honestly presented...

During the 400 year rule of the Ottoman Emire 1517 - 1917 Jews lived in Tiberia, Tsfat and mostly in Jerusalem where they were ALWAYS the Majority. There were Arabs, there where Druze, there were Metwallis, Circassian and other minorities in addition to Christians and Greek Orthodox, this was never an Arab country and the Map at the time showed it to be the Ottoman Empire and during these four hundred years.
Palestine's Lies and Facts
~By Sister Margaret Ellen Traxler:-

The diligently cultivated scenario is in place. The black and white hats have been put in their proper places. It runs something like this:
The Palestinians, a homogenous and prosperous culture onto themselves, were brutally expelled from their homeland as an integral part of the master plan of the West; partly to assuage guilt for the Holocaust, partly to maintain control of a strategic oil rich region.
After the expulsion, the rationale goes, the remnants of the Palestinians were treated like second class citizens in their own land, powerless to protect their rights from the oppressor, who stole their property and, through various machinations, usurped their birthright.
The epic continues. As a result of the manifest injustices done they formed the Palestine liberation Organization [PLO], a democratic, secular, popular movement dedicated to restoring Palestine. Said restoration would result in a secular, democratic state, where all citizens would have equal political and religious rights.
For the West, this so-called Palestinian question was not a major source of international concern until the 1974 Arab oil embargo.
But a lie is still a lie.

Lie No. 1: The Palestinians were a sovereign people and nation until they were "expelled" in 1948.
Facts: The area known as Palestine was a province of the Ottoman Empire from the 16th Century until the British took control in 1917. From 1917 until 1948, the areas were under British operational control and, later, mandate. There was never a Palestinian nation.
Further, the population of the entire area, according to a 1879 Encyclopedia Britannica, was never substantial and was ethnically diverse. Any inhabitants there were concentrated in two cities, Jerusalem and Jaffa, and in the nomadic Bedouin tribes.
There was also a constant Jewish community. From the time of the first census in 1844 to the present, there have always been more Jews in Jerusalem than Moslems. Large-scale Jewish immigration during the Ottoman period made the Jewish community. From the time of the first census in 1844 to the present, there have always been more Jews in Jerusalem than Moslems. Large scale Jewish immigration during the Ottoman period made the Jewish community a significant presence.
It was only after the Jewish settlers bought land and made the area economically productive that the Arabs returned in significant numbers. Between the World Wars, the Arab population in predominantly Arab towns rose only insignificantly, e.g. 16,000 to 23,000 in Nablus. The population trends in the three major Jewish cities show a different story. The Arab population increased in Jerusalem by 97 percent, from 28,500 to 56,400, in Jaffa by 134 percent, from 27,400 to 62,600 and in Haifa by 216 percent, from 18,400 to 58,200.
The massive Arab immigration into Palestine during the Mandate period accounts for roughly 75 percent of the supposedly "Palestinian” population present at the time of the partition in 1948.

Lie No2: Israel occupies historical Palestine.
Facts: Israel only covers roughly 25 percent of what used to be the province of Palestine. In 1922, the
British government violated its League of Nations Mandate over Palestine by partitioning the territory into a truncated Palestine and a nebulous entity called "Transjordan."
In 1947, the United Nations voted to form two states out of what was left of Palestine, and the Jewish leadership pledged to abide by the borders. The Arab world refused and invaded.
As the world knows, Israel won its war and the ensuing armistice lines resulted in Israeli sovereignty over 20 percent of the land within the 1917 borders of Palestine. The Bedouin King Abdullah grabbed the remainder, the so-called West Bank. For 19 years, he and his successor and grandson, Hussein, c6ntrolled the territory; at any time during that period either could have returned this so-called birthright to the Palestinians. They did not, and since none of the other Arab countries would grant full refuge to the refugees, they were dumped into policed camps.
Meanwhile, Jordan (the name was changed in 1950 is more than 75 percent Palestinian in population. Palestinians are prospering in that nation-in-an area comprising most of historical Palestine.

Lie No. 3: The PLO is a freedom-seeking, democratic organization.
Fact: Anyone who witnessed the tragedy of Lebanon from 1975 through last summer's invasion by Israeli forces saw the true face of the PLO. At best, it is a shadow organization in chaos.
The Lebanese gave refuge to the Palestinians and the PLO, and in "gratitude," the PLO established a state within Lebanon, mocking its sovereignty, murdering its citizens and slashing its social fabric.
The Lebanese have suffered enough from PLO democracy and freedom. They consider themselves somewhat lucky—a few more years of PLO freedom and guarantees and Lebanon might not have survived.
An American wit once said, "Trust everyone, but cut the cards yourself." Through all of the lies, the truth is coming out, and right will triumph.

**Here is an article by Sister Margaret Ellen Traxter that would somehow define the situation.

Palestine's Lies and Facts
~By Sister Margaret Ellen Traxler:-

The diligently cultivated scenario is in place. The black and white hats have been put in their proper places. It runs something like this:
The Palestinians, a homogenous and prosperous culture onto themselves, were brutally expelled from their homeland as an integral part of the master plan of the West; partly to assuage guilt for the Holocaust, partly to maintain control of a strategic oil rich region.
After the expulsion, the rationale goes, the remnants of the Palestinians were treated like second class citizens in their own land, powerless to protect their rights from the oppressor, who stole their property and, through various machinations, usurped their birthright.
The epic continues. As a result of the manifest injustices done they formed the Palestine liberation Organization [PLO], a democratic, secular, popular movement dedicated to restoring Palestine. Said restoration would result in a secular, democratic state, where all citizens would have equal political and religious rights.
For the West, this so-called Palestinian question was not a major source of international concern until the 1974 Arab oil embargo.
But a lie is still a lie.

Lie No. 1: The Palestinians were a sovereign people and nation until they were "expelled" in 1948.
Facts: The area known as Palestine was a province of the Ottoman Empire from the 16th Century until the British took control in 1917. From 1917 until 1948, the areas were under British operational control and, later, mandate. There was never a Palestinian nation.
Further, the population of the entire area, according to a 1879 Encyclopedia Britannica, was never substantial and was ethnically diverse. Any inhabitants there were concentrated in two cities, Jerusalem and Jaffa, and in the nomadic Bedouin tribes.
There was also a constant Jewish community. From the time of the first census in 1844 to the present, there have always been more Jews in Jerusalem than Moslems. Large-scale Jewish immigration during the Ottoman period made the Jewish community. From the time of the first census in 1844 to the present, there have always been more Jews in Jerusalem than Moslems. Large scale Jewish immigration during the Ottoman period made the Jewish community a significant presence.
It was only after the Jewish settlers bought land and made the area economically productive that the Arabs returned in significant numbers. Between the World Wars, the Arab population in predominantly Arab towns rose only insignificantly, e.g. 16,000 to 23,000 in Nablus. The population trends in the three major Jewish cities show a different story. The Arab population increased in Jerusalem by 97 percent, from 28,500 to 56,400, in Jaffa by 134 percent, from 27,400 to 62,600 and in Haifa by 216 percent, from 18,400 to 58,200.
The massive Arab immigration into Palestine during the Mandate period accounts for roughly 75 percent of the supposedly "Palestinian” population present at the time of the partition in 1948.

Lie No2: Israel occupies historical Palestine.
Facts: Israel only covers roughly 25 percent of what used to be the province of Palestine. In 1922, the
British government violated its League of Nations Mandate over Palestine by partitioning the territory into a truncated Palestine and a nebulous entity called "Transjordan."
In 1947, the United Nations voted to form two states out of what was left of Palestine, and the Jewish leadership pledged to abide by the borders. The Arab world refused and invaded.
As the world knows, Israel won its war and the ensuing armistice lines resulted in Israeli sovereignty over 20 percent of the land within the 1917 borders of Palestine. The Bedouin King Abdullah grabbed the remainder, the so-called West Bank. For 19 years, he and his successor and grandson, Hussein, c6ntrolled the territory; at any time during that period either could have returned this so-called birthright to the Palestinians. They did not, and since none of the other Arab countries would grant full refuge to the refugees, they were dumped into policed camps.
Meanwhile, Jordan (the name was changed in 1950 is more than 75 percent Palestinian in population. Palestinians are prospering in that nation-in-an area comprising most of historical Palestine.

Lie No. 3: The PLO is a freedom-seeking, democratic organization.
Fact: Anyone who witnessed the tragedy of Lebanon from 1975 through last summer's invasion by Israeli forces saw the true face of the PLO. At best, it is a shadow organization in chaos.
The Lebanese gave refuge to the Palestinians and the PLO, and in "gratitude," the PLO established a state within Lebanon, mocking its sovereignty, murdering its citizens and slashing its social fabric.
The Lebanese have suffered enough from PLO democracy and freedom. They consider themselves somewhat lucky—a few more years of PLO freedom and guarantees and Lebanon might not have survived.
An American wit once said, "Trust everyone, but cut the cards yourself." Through all of the lies, the truth is coming out, and right will triumph.

**Sister Margaret Ellen Traxter is director of the Institute of Women Today and founder and a member of the board of the National Coalition of American Nuns, both based in Chicago.
To be continued...

 

The National Coalition of American Nuns? Are you serious?

Please continue, I haven't had such a good laugh in weeks!

 

The Arabs had a clear majority.. with Christians being the next largest group and Arab Jews being a minority. Something to consider.. WHO planted and tended all those 400 year old olive trees?

There is a wonderful book that is very balanced called.. A Palestian Christian Call for Reconciliation written by Atif.. and associated with Sabeel which has headquarters in Galilee.. They also support Miko Peled.. the son of the famous Jewish General Peled who became and ardent peace activist.

 

Maybe this will help a little

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/shepherd/califate_750.jpg

http://israelipalestinian.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=1306

 

The last Caliphate is long gone and there won't be another... The Arab states have very divergent interests .. or is this fear another some more justification for an existential threat?.


“The symbolic capital derived from the suffering of the past is supposed to be passed down in ink like any other capital,” Sand writes. “The Holocaust industry sought to maximize the suffering of the past and derive from it as much political and even financial capital as possible.”

“Instead of the old religious identity of the ‘chosen people,’ what arose was an extremely beneficial modern secular ritual of not only ‘the chosen victim’ but also ‘the exclusive victim.’” That same “chosen victim” became an “exclusive” one when he methodically began to ignore the other victims of the Holocaust, Sand asserts, until eventually “the genocide received Jewish exclusivity.”

http://jfjfp.com/?p=43712

 

Schlomo Sands has NEVER been taken seriously in Israel and the world, his book is offered for pennies on the Dollar and does not sell. But seriously a woman of your stature injecting Sands in the conversation.
You have to concentrate MORE on legitimizing Palestine as a self ruled entity that was lost to the Jews... But you will not be able to. STOP SIDESTEPPING THE ISSUE, retort on the subject matter!!!!