Just depends on where the fire is I suppose. Some of my pilot friends always joke that one day they are going to flip the switch when the smoke detector in the lav goes off and douse the smoker who thinks they are getting away with a quick puff.
You think so? I think people would be terrified to fly on planes with Chinese passengers and terrified to travel to China while this separatist group is on the loose. I also think it would draw the world's attention to how China dealt with the situation, which may be something they don't want scrutinized. Even if you're right, though, the Chinese government is more likely to think suspiciously. They aren't exactly an archetype of transparency.
That's not true. Most GSM and CDMA cell phones stay in contact with the cell phone towers. As a cell phone moves from one tower to another it does whats known as a "hand-shake" so that the network knows where to find the device should a call come in. When a cell phone disappears off the network, the phone will not ring. THe caller will here just one ring and then will get the phones voicemail. When somebody calls a cell phone and it rings several times before transfering to voicemail when the call is ignored, that phone is still in communication with a tower. Its easy to tell when somebody's phone rang, or when it was off/not on the network.
Off Perth, Australia in the ocean was found "A debris field and 2 large pieces of something of significant size"...... it has to be the 777.
Hard to imagine what else could be floating around out there. For the sake of the passengers I hope it's something else, even though at this point there's something to be said for resolving this mystery.
If there have been passenger cell phone and pc activity why hasn't this been reported on nightly news. Anyone have direct link to such a confirmed report??
I have flown on China Southern, China Eastern, Asiana, and Cathay Pacific. On each of the flights, the Chinese criw and passangers were not a problem. The Westerners on the flight were not a problem. While in China, I felt safe, even at night in crowded areas. The attacks by Uyghur separatist just a few days ago is more about the internal politics of China's long history than you realize. Even the attack and death of the U.S, volleyball coach in Beijing in 2008 is rare in China. For the msot part, the Chinese people are a politie people and want to show their culture to you. They find you more curious than objectionable. And they will not bother you if you do not bother them.
As heartbreaking as it is, it's better to know what happened to your loved one and where their remains are than to never know...... I have 2 friends who each had an adult child who one day totally disappeared, never to be seen nor heard from again. One friend believes her daughter got caught up in the drug world - she lived in a different state - and left behind a 6 month old baby whom she adored.... The other's son graduated, moved to CA and one night he left a party to get food and was never seen again. His truck was found, but he never was.... For me, that would be the ultimate pain.... never knowing.
You have just described people in general. But any time a few extremists from one people group pull off an incomprehensible and devastating stunt, the entire people group falls under suspicion. Many are still highly suspicious of Muslims and Arabs because of 9/11. As a far-east traveler, surely you're aware of the suspicions, even contempt at times, that the Chinese feel toward the Japanese because of their wartime acts generations ago. All it would take is one wild, premeditated act for rational people to grow fearful of anyone associated with the perpetrators. And writing the conflict off as "internal politics" seems short-sighted; the Palestinian conflict used to be internal, the Egyptian and Libyan revolutions were internal, Somalia's problems were at one time internal... eventually, conflicts in all these places have had impacts well beyond their borders. Really my point isn't to make a case for the Uyghurs being the perps, but to suggest that some extremist group could be behind this plane's vanishing, and there is a rational explanation why another country over there could know exactly where the plane is and still want to keep it a secret.
Last night, I heard an anonymous caller on the Coast-to-Coast program state rather convincingly that Canadian and American intelligence agencies had come to the conclusion that, based on in-depth analysis of one of the pilot's flight simulator, they had flown the plane to some desert location in Khazakstan. I know, I know -- you can hear a lot completely unfounded, idiotic crap on Coast-to-Coast -- especially on an "open lines" night. But there was something about the way this caller presented the information and the way he cited sources -- even to the point of deliberately admitting that his was leaked top-secret information that interested me. What I don't buy is the idea that somebody is going to load a hydrogen bomb on this 777 and then go fly it into some adversary of Muslims (?). The thing would be shot down before it had lifted twenty feet off the ground, no matter where it is....
The National Enquirer has some conspiracy theory headline this week based on "secret" government documents. My guess would be that it could have come from there, though I did not read the actual story as I do not buy the NE.
Me neither, and believe me, I did feel a little stupid referring to anything I'd heard on Coast-to-Coast. It's gotten to be as bad as it ever was back in the days of Art Bell having snake-oil charlatans on, one after another -- and all of them selling books, etc. Anyway, this caller last night claimed to have been in one of the Canadian Intel agencies himself, and sounded remarkable different from the usual assortments of drunks, and delusional, mentally-ill people who often call radio programs. He said with specificity that the plane had landed in a desert location in Khazakstan. Oh, and this guy, whoever he was, wasn't selling anything. Not a book, not a newsletter... nothing. He was on and off in less than 60 seconds. All in all, I've got my doubts anybody is going to be loading a nuclear weapon on this 777 and flying it out of Khazakstan unnoticed....
It is a good conspiracy theory I suppose--as good as any other. In the end, this is just going to be a crash that will be discovered or one of those lingering things for TV shows to twist and manipulate or investigate to death.
Australia is now saying any plane debris that was there where they searched and could not find, has now sunk to the bottom of the ocean. Hello? They never even got proof it was the triple 7 plane debris they saw. It was probably ship containers.
Maybe you, but not the Chinese people. There is an ethnic groups called the Hui, pronounce "Way." They are predominantly Muslim. And yet, the Han generally don't distrust them at all since they keep their own religion and practices to themselves. In thajt capacity, most of the han Chinese don't really bother the Hui or place demands, or even suspicious of them at all. And keep in mind, I was in China when there was a Uyghur attack in the capital city of Xinjiang. Most Chinese were shocked, but the news casts on CCTV9 gave a general propaganda response of unity and acceptance. Most agreed even without a forethought. And even some of my spouses relatives asked me about it in which I politely refused to engage with an internal conflict of a foreign country. The Uyghurs have been fighting the Chinese since the Tang dyanasty, some 1500 years ago. They became a part of China during the Qing dynasty. Some Uyghurs want an independent state while most of them are content with their daily life. That does not mean they are happy about the CPC and the policies of the government.
People still fly on El Al, they still fly to India, though Sikh terrorist groups have openly admitted they blew up at least one airliner. They still fly to America, Europe, all over. Planes crash too,. I mean, you're proposing to go several thousand miles over the most remote areas of the world at the edge of space, moving over 400mph in a thin metal cigar filled mainly with the most flammable substance on Earth, all propelled by what amounts to a barely controlled, very large and intense blowtorch. What could go wrong? Most people just look at the stats and take their chances. You ARE still more likely to die falling out of bed.
Again, it depends on when the turn occurred. If it occurred before they said, "Goodnight", how do you explain that? I do not believe the pilots would have ever transferred over to Vietnamese comms if they were having any sort of problem. Vietnam is going to start asking them information and radar identifying them if they switch over. No, they would have told Malaysia that they need to stay with them until they figure out the problem. I'm not sure when that turn occurred, because our mass media sucks. But it's vital to know that so that mechanical failure can be pretty much eliminated.
I have never heard that the plane turned before the Goodnight--just that the course was programmed in before the goodnight. Nothing makes it seem like this is an unusual practice to have an alternate pre-planned. They were also about to switch ATC areas from what I have heard so they were in the process of transitioning to the next leg of the flight so to speak. Either way, the plane is crashed somewhere. It is just a matter of whether or not we can figure out where or if will have to wait for a few typhoons to wash some evidence up somewhere on a beach.
It has been established that the turn was happening at the time the co pilot said "good night." It does not explain why the plane went missing though. It does explain that some sort of foul play was involved, not mechanical failure. But until the wreckage is found, assuming it crashed, we will have to wait.
