Pope Francis Says Weapons Manufacturers Shouldn’t Call Themselves Christians

Common Sense is something I'm not seeing from you or the Pope.

Pope Francis said that those who manufacture guns or invest in the companies that make guns are hypocrites if they are Christians.

I say the Pope himself is far bigger hypocrite and anti-Christ than all the gun company workers and investors combined.

Here are just some of the weapons made by Sig, HK and Glock that the Pope's own Swiss Guard use to protect him and the infallible Catholic leaders in the Vatican:

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So smb, do you think the Pope is a hypocrite for saying all the people that make the guns that protect him and his own are all damned and not Christian? And that he is worthy to buy and have full-auto assault rifles and submachine guns and bears no guilt in using them to save his own skin?

Let's hear your wise defence of the Pope's decree: Guns are for me, and not for thee.

 

Lecturing the Pope on theology...I think you lose.

 

Translation: I cannot have an intelligent response so I will just make a ridiculous comment based on ignorance and no evidence.

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Your repetitive attempts at nonsensical deflection is duly noted.

 

I'm not lecturing him on anything. Jesus Christ was the one who told his followers to go out and get a sword.

And this pope also said that gay was okay. Going against the ot, nt and Jesus Christ. So excuse me if I don't give a fat baby's behind what he thinks.

 

I know, I know, I know, the Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon. yada, yada, yada

 

Since the last 4 popes have made the world safe for a select group of pedophiles, yeah I was gonna make that statement.

 

You mean your repetitive excuses.

 

First off, this Pope was not leading the church during the crusades. Second, the crusades had nothing to do with defending christianity and everything to do with trying to re-establish Christianity in the "holy land." Third, the papacy had little to nothing to do with the halt of the spread of islam into the Western Europe. The halt of Islam can be directly attributed to two people. Charles Martel and Jan Sobieski.

 

How is killing someone who is not armed and imprisoned self-defense? Also yet another deflection from the point under debate.

 

You are of course assuming facts not evidence. I do not know if Pope Francis has authorized the purchase of said weapons are not. The fact that the swiss guards carry weapons does not necessarily make the Pope a hypocrite. If you want to claim the Popes hypocrisy on this you would have to prove that since he was Pope that weapons were in fact purchased and purchased from an entity that made a profit on said purchase.

 

Apparently you must give some credence to what he says otherwise you would not even have bothered to post in this thread. That being said you are trying to lecture him. The quote you are referring to has nothing to do with arming people and violence. It has to do with prophecy and fulfillment of prophecy.

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oh Ok. Now maybe you can some meaningful to add to the debate?

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Whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

Deflection? You're the one who brought up it up and I quote "Christian Conservative's that are so pro-life are also pro death penalty". Were you deflecting? Killing is killing, there's no difference? So killing in self defense is murder? I'll bet you're pro abortion.

 

The only one that needs help sleeping at night is the one that is making excuses.

 

I disagree. But regardless, if there were no people who made weapons then that prophecy couldn't be fulfilled.

But as far as the pope, I don't care what he believes personally. However the Catholics have got to be hating him lol

 

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...im-sparks-outrage-among-victims-28577483.html <-- this is why any religious leaders opinion doesn't matter. I'd rather listen to people with a little bit of reasoning.

 

The guy is an idiot.

The Bible is not against self defense, and it does encourage its people to go and kill others for the glory of god.

But then again, authoritarians of all stripes can't stand it when people say no and defend themselves to them.

 

In my home, being a threat to my family. I don't care what you do or don't have your hand. You will be on the receiving end of a 9mm.
More people are beaten to death than shot every year. So your definition of unarmed holds no water.
No deflection at all.

 

That's true, which is why I pointed out that he is "the head of an institution that conducted wars and maintained military forces for centuries...".

I would dispute the claim that the Crusades had nothing to do with defending Christianity, but that's an argument for another thread...

Both were great men, but you're overlooking the role that the Church and its military orders played at the Great Siege of Malta, the battle of Lepanto, the Reconquista, etc.

Furthermore, I would add that Martel and Sobieski were not solely responsible for reversing the Islamic tide in Europe. It was Prince Eugene of Savoy who crushed the Ottomans at Zenta and eventually forced them to come to terms at Karlowitz.

 

Pope Francis IS the Pope for crying out loud! He runs the Vatican and the Church. If he was not speaking out of his rear end, then he should instantly ban ALL guns from the Vatican City.

I know for a fact the Pope is currently being guarded by all these fancy assault weapons. Here is an article with good Pope himself and all his guns:

http://www.guns.com/2014/04/13/guns-swiss-guard/

 

Before he was Pope he was a Cardinal. Of course he knows there are armed guards.

 

It's too bad that all the gunmakers that make the Pope's guns are hypocrites and will probably burn for it.

Perhaps if his gunmakers make a donatation to his church, they will get out of hell free.

 

First, yes it is a deflection because it has nothing to do with the point in contention is this thread. That being said I will ask again. Please explain to me how killing and unarmed prisoner equates to self-defense.

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Which would be you.

 

Is that donation or detonation? JK. Speaking of donations, the church welcomed John Gotti with open arms, palms up of course.

 

no, that would be you.

 

No they are not. He has an 84 to 5 approval rating by Catholics and has a positive approval rating amongst all groups.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...-and-even-those-without-embrace-pope-francis/

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Wrong Pope.