Pope Francis Says Weapons Manufacturers Shouldn’t Call Themselves Christians

I already have your cop out not withstanding. Again if Jesus was against personal weaponry why did he not command the centurions, both of whose faith were commended, to disarm?

 

Because he was not concerned with the Centurion's job. He was using his belief that if Jesus says something it will be done like if he says something to his soldiers they do it. I was an example of faith and had nothing to do with the Centurion's job a soldier.

 

So you would agree that a suicide vest maker is as culpable as the suicide bomber himself? I am the one mentioning it not you of course but it is related as you have one person making an item and another using it for a sinful act.

So is the purpose what is important? If the products you sell or make main purpose is a sinful act are you also responsible for that act? If you are knowingly contributing to sin is the sin also yours?

 

A Godless pagan like yourself cares not what is written in the Bible. "Amost unanimously theologians agree...." is more of your same biased rubbish.

http://gbg-coc.org/Use Deadly Foprce.html

Next time you post a thread, stick to the topics you have a better understanding of: Marxism, and biased propaganda from the VPC.

 

I'll agree on the vest. If you know someone is planning to commit murder then you're complicit. If I'm on a line making barrels for hunting rifles and 5months later someone kills a person with it, I'm not guilty.

 

It's like right wingers just can't get it through their heads that Jesus was, to put it bluntly, a hippie. Wasn't a big fan of violence, forgave sinners, peace and harmony blah blah blah, he's like a commune leader. Whether he was a really good con artist or just delusional I have no idea, but the point is that he's not some fundamentalist theocrat who tells everyone to behead the unbelievers and burn the heretics, that's too Old Testament for him. At the time his group would have been considered a radical cult.

 

I don't think he was big on abortion like you progressives are. The Pope says something about gun control and progressives are all up to repeat it and agree. But when he speaks out about abortion, they're all deaf to him again.

 

At the time it wasn't really an issue. Trying to perform an abortion in the ancient world would likely kill you.

He probably wouldn't have been. But then again, I don't care what some cultist from 2000 years ago thinks and I don't care to listen to him.

 

Would your life be so bad if you did listen to him and try and live like he believed? Whether you believe he is the son of God or not, his message of love your enemy as yourself and do onto others as you would have them do onto you is not so bad. Living a simple life that harms no one is an ideal worth investing in I would think.

 

Not gonna lie, hard to love people like the IS, Putin and Kim.

 

Not really and like most people you're trying to put your own modern perspective into ancient times. You also have to know a bit of history and the Roman perception of Jesus. Judea is a Roman invention and divided what was essentially Israel into 4 parts with the Empire in charge. Judea is third class province and as such the Romans only want a few things. First and foremost, they want their tax money. They don't have to beg or negotiate for it. They get their cut and could care less if anyone is shorted as long as they get theirs. The want the trade routes open with a minimal of brigandage, that was always a problem. They also don't want rebellion. Just about anything else goes. The Romans would have been remarkably tolerant of just about any religious belief. To say that Jesus was establishing a cult would have been a stretch especially in a land of Godmen and saviors. He was a political leader and a reformer, a direct threat to the Sanhedrin who were directly and indirectly responsible for his murder. The Romans would not have felt he was a threat unless there was a loss of tax money, brigandage or rebellion and he has no history of this and in fact his preachings were just the opposite. To say that Jesus was a hippie is just incorrect. The last act was an overplayed political hand with the expected results.

 

Nailed it. In one breath he declares weapon manufacturers as evil and then in the next breath chastises people for not using weapons in a way that he thinks would have been just. It's kind of hard to use weapons in a just manner when nobody actually makes weapons.

I would suggest the pope do a little more thinking before he starts speaking in the future.

 

Also interesting to note:
http://www.guns.com/2014/04/13/guns-swiss-guard/

These are the arms of the Swiss Guard, charged with protecting the Pope. I guess when he said, "weapons manufacturers," he was excluding Sig Sauer?

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