Pope Francis Says Weapons Manufacturers Shouldn’t Call Themselves Christians

The only thing the Pope mentioned about war is bombing the rails. The only thing he mentioned about weapons is manufactures. Sorry you don't see the connection but try to re-interpret what he said.

 

The point is not to reinterpret what he said but to in fact debate what he said. If you want to have debate on why or why not the Pope thinks the Allies purposefully did not intervene in the Holocaust then you are welcome to do so on another thread. If you want to have a debate on whether or not people and companies that manufacture weapons are inherently unchristian then stick to that point without putting your own spin on what was said. The two issues have little or nothing to do with one another.

 

Using weapons has nothing to do with the issue of weapons manufacturers? Go figure.

 

Then you don't see the similarities in making swords into plowshares?

 

In this specific situation yes. The point the Pope was making in the statement you quoted was the Allies made a specific decision not to intervene in the Holocaust. That issue has nothing to do with the point being debated here. It is a clear deflection of the issue.

 

That does not have anything to with the point under discussion. Please stick to the topic. Do you agree or disagree with Pope's belief that weapons manufacturers and those that are investing in them are unchristian.

Besides the quote is from the Book Isaiah 2:4 not from the Punic Wars.

 

I disagree. Without weapons manufacturers, evil could be allowed to roam rampantly. Glad it's not an ex cathedra statement, so it can be ignored by Catholics. That said, I'd like to see the transcript of the whole speech. The leftist media tends to warp his message by using quick quotes.

Also, at one point Christ tells his Apostles to buy swords:
Luke 22:36
He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.

Also, the ironic thing is he criticizes weapons manufacturers on one hand, then wishes that weapons had been used to stop the Holocaust at the end of the talk. You can't have it both ways. IMHO, weapons are needed to stop evil. Yes, weapons are used for evil as well. They are the tool for and against evil, by themselves, they mean nothing.

 

Killing is killing. It is not for me nor any other man to judge when a person is allowed to lived. Besides the fact that Capital Punishment is nothing more than revenge killing dressed in a suit and tie.

That being said it has nothing to do with the subject being debated and is an obvious deflection.

As is your "point" about a paedophile church. This Pope has been the most aggressive in prosecuting and removing priests known to be abusers and those that have covered for them. Also the Catholic Church by no means has a monopoly on paedophilia. The facts are that paedophiles actively seek jobs that put them in positions of trust of children. This is known issue with paedophilia so they seek professions like ministers, scout leaders, teachers, coaches etc. Again this is a complete deflection of the point being made.

 

Well the, what specific issue is he talking about today because he did not specify anything other than weapons manufacturers?

 

Please explain how exactly evil would be allowed to roam any more rampantly than it does now without weapons manufacturers.

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Exactly. His point is if you are weapons manufacturer or someone who invests in weapons manufacture calling yourself a Christian is duplicitous.

 

Technically, just because someone agrees with what you say, doesn't automatically mean you agree with them or personally identify with their specific ideology.

 

Yes, to some degree I do.

 

of course its convenient that he never mentioned the catholic churchs role in assisting nazis escape europe after the war.....

Red Cross and Vatican helped thousands of Nazis to escape

 

The Hutus did a pretty good job of evil with garden tools......(machetes)

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I disagree. Weapons can be used for good as well as evil. He even uses an example of where bombs should have been used to do more good. If the Allied bombs had been used to blow up the train tracks leading to the concentration camps, would the manufacturer still have been non-Christian. It's absurd in that he contradicts himself in the same speech. The user determines if an instrument is used for good and evil. Anyway, I'm just glad it's an off the cuff statement, and not one binding on Catholics.

 

Yeah! The Pope is anti-Christian. He needs to read his Bible.

Clearly Jesus said, "If someone strikes thine cheek, thou art to draw thine concealed carry automatic pistol and put two in the offender's chest, one in his head."

 

Maybe the pope missed the part about Jesus telling his followers to get a sword.

 

Except for bomb makers and except for .... which of course he never said.

 

"The Lord is a Man of War"

 

Common sense? More like hypocrisy.

The head of an institution that conducted wars and maintained military forces for centuries is in no position to lecture people about weapons and self-defense. Some of the greatest practitioners of war were Catholic military forces, such as the Knights Templar & Hospitaller and the military orders in Spain, and it's a damned good thing the Church supported those groups, otherwise St. Peter's Basilica might be a mosque today.

Besides, guns don't kill people, people do. I think we would all be better off if Il Papa stuck to his area of expertise and tended to the souls in his flock...

 

Who needs bombs? The VC didn't. They used sticks and stones to break and maim your bones.

 

Must be a slow day in the news if this is really a thread.

 

He's busy making political statements.

 

You link "pro death" to pro self defense. You are mistaken in that.

 

Did somebody say something about "duplicity" and "distrust"?

 

As was Christ according to your definition. Hence why many Christians should not call themselves Christians

For this and many other reasons related to not following the message of Christ.