Pope Francis Says Weapons Manufacturers Shouldn’t Call Themselves Christians

If you're really quiet you may hear Wayne LaPierre's head explode...

I have often found it duplicitous that so called Christian Conservative's that are so pro-life are also pro death penalty and pro guns. Now it seems we have a world leader with large podium now finally provide some much needed common sense to the equation.

How much does the Christian Right now want religion mixed with their politics?

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/06/pope-christian-arms-manufacturers-are-hypocrites.html

 

This pope is essentially a Marxist (or at least a radical leftist). I think that the cardinals pulled a Dem Party leadership on Catholicism when they made this ignorant forker pope and didn't really bother to go through the vetting process with him. Well . . . after he's gone they won't make that mistake again.

 

Of course he is. Because anyone who disagrees with you must be a Marxist????? Do you guys ever listen to yourselves?

 

Of course, then he turns around and says this:

Uh, bombs from who?

 

Soytinly! As do you, obviously. This pope apparently doesn't grasp WHY the neophyte Catholic Church deep-sixed some of its 'love they neighbor' precepts in the real world in order to be embraced by the developing Roman Empire. He is fundamentally ignorant in regards to the history of his own Church and WHY it did the things it did. But then again, he is a Marxist.

 

No you are wrong. I do not believe everyone who disagrees with me is a Marxist or any other kind of ist or ism. I debate specific points. You obviously prefer to stay in the realm of generalized name calling. I find this to be both lazy and intellectually dishonest.

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There is a difference between rising in violence to protect life and producing the means of said violence for profit. That is the point. I am sorry it is lost on you.

 

Bomb makers didn't profit? OK, I get it. Only the weapons you don't like are made by people that can't call themselves Christians.

 

Facts not in evidence. That being said what did they do with said profits? You are assuming facts not in evidence.

 

What does any company do with profits?

 

Some companies give their profits away. Other companies give their profits to employees. Some companies keep their profits and invest them in other companies. Again you are not arguing specifics. You are first assuming that bomb makers made a profit and then you are assuming that they kept those profits. That a lot of assuming. I suggest you do some research and come back with some specifics. You are long on claims and evidence is non-existent.

 

Bomb makers make bombs. Get it yet?

 

When did the Christian right stop considering Catholics devil worshipers?

 

Ok. Bomb makers make bombs. That still doesn't mean they profit from them. The point of the Pope is that those who profit from the manufacture, sell and those who invest in the manufacture and sell of weapons TODAY are duplicitous. It clearly carries the weight of those that would profit from those actions. Your claim about WWII does not fit what he is saying. That said you still haven't provided any evidence that those bomb manufacturers made profits off of their bombs.

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probably when they went into bed with them.

http://www.politicalresearch.org/2013/07/23/christian-right-seeks-renewal-in-deepening-catholic-protestant-alliance/#sthash.R6Z4lrjB.dpbs

 

Ah, so only the weapons manufacturers of today can't call themselves Christians but anyone previous to this Pope can. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

That is not what I said. What I said is you are taking one phrase of his out of context and now putting to his comments today. I can understand why you would want to deflect the point that way but it is a deflection. It is not a valid point to compare one comment he made about why the Allies did or did not actively do anything to prevent the Holocaust during WWII and using it as a counterpoint to his stance on arms manufacturers today. You "point" is nonsensical and a completed deflection of the point under debate.

 

Because obviously opposing the crushed head/vacuum baby death procedure directly translates over to the ability to defend one's family and removing dangerous criminals from society.

It's hilarious how some on the left suddenly take religious leaders seriously ... when they're hearing what they want to hear.

 

This pope should be a good warning to the Vatican in the future that demographics really make a difference. Make a Hispanic socialist pope, and sure enough, he fulfills his duties like a Hispanic socialist would.

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There's a reason self-described Marxists are suddenly quoting the Pope. Why else would they do that, aside from him espousing rhetoric they agree with?

 

Ever read about the Punic Wars?

 

Absolutely, they -- just like the Dem Party leadership -- allowed too many of their leftist radical types to have meaningful input and even power among them and the end result as far as the Dem Party is concerned is a takeover by radical leftists of the Party and in regards to Catholicism, is this leftist/Marxist/Socialist pope. But -- and you put your finger on it -- only a group of insular Church leader types could fail to be aware that socialism and Marxism infests Catholicism throughout most of Mexico and most of Central and South America . . . and so what the fork did those idiots expect they would be getting when they 'crowned' this particular idiot Pontiff?

Yep, and it's especially bizarre when one considers the ever growing strain of militant atheism running throughout the U.S.'s Left. Mind you, I am also an atheist, but nonetheless I have respect for the concept of religion.

 

By God, why does the Pope have to be so annoying? If I was a catholic, I'd convert. Popes should either be conservative or just be quiet.

 

I think Francis was a political/financial move by the Church. They know that Hispanics represent the fastest growing group of Catholics, so they wanted to nail down their future revenue streams and stay the most relevant to Hispanics by appointing one of their own as Pope. They must have figured it was worth alienating their more conservative minded practitioners.

 

I agree, but I also think that there may even have been more to it than that. The type of political maneuvering that goes on inside the Vatican can make the U.S. legislative branch look like a bunch of newbie amateurs. I have no specifics. Just a feeling, and so I'm willing to be talked out of it . . . not being a feeeeeeeeeeeeeeelings based leftist after all . . .

 

Sorry, but the Pope said what he said, he only said weapons manufacturers and a few other ancillary connections. He never said only the ones now. Most of those same weapons manufacturers he is castigating supply weapons to the Military so they are intimately linked to the statement about bombing railways.

 

Both obvious deflections to the point being debated...thanks for playing.

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All deflections on the point being discussed. Do you have anything pertinent to add to the debate other than name calling?

 

Your "point" is not related. One was about decisions made during a war and why they were made. It does not have anything to doe with weapons manufacture and everything to do with how and why people make the decisions they make. Your deflection is noted.

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Well that's on point??? but yes I have.