What happened to the souls of those who died on September 11, 2001?

lol - yes, you can get a million hits on the web and you can sell almost anything as religion. Look what L Ron Hubbard managed!!

What I'm saying is that his ideas are uninteresting to science.

 

I think that his website has gotten over a million hits.

So some interest is there.

 

Well that does it. You have provided the perfect anti abortion rational for the believers. . Now we have to worry that abortion or a miscarriage condemns the soul to eternal damnation since the fetus can never accept Jesus.

 

We don't have to worry about other people's souls. We need to worry about our own.

 

Many near death experiencers have been shown some variation on universal salvation.

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/christian-andreason.html#a04h

h. Who goes to heaven?

 

If you are interested near death experiencer Ariela Solsol Pereira has an entire chapter on what she was shown about the state of miscarried or aborted souls of children in the higher dimensions of space - time. To my thinking.... it seems to fit with universal salvation. It is chapter 10 of her book....

https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/7757629.Ariela_Solsol

 

If the brain loses his functions how do you explain the clear visions in NDE experiences and the fact that they can remember them in detail?

 

Ever tried acid? One can have absolutly convincing clear experiences and remember them in perfect detail without the incident actually ever having occurred. The brain uas so many abilities that are not yet understood.

 

Actuallly.... a decent case can be presented that some drugs unlock
part of the same type of experience that also can result in OOBE or NDE???!

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/triggers/drugs.html
The Trigger of Hallucinogenic Drugs:
Larry Hagman's Near-Death Experiences

 

My comment was specific to science, you may remember.

I agree there is great interest in religious interpretations among humans.

 

I don't see this as surprising AT ALL.

As it is deprived of energy the brain will begin to fail. The complexity of the brain is enormous and its capacity to generate models of what we see around us is unbelievably powerful. Look into how vision works - how the brain creates models of the world around us, on the fly as we have our eyes open.

One should expect that the result of an energy deprived brain could be incredible in terms of images and ideas, including those that have absolutely no relation to reality.

Also, this wouldn't be limited to the brain. Visual and auditory sensing will degrade, giving the brain really weird information to work from.

The fact that this can be remembered is also not surprising - it depends on no more than the memory forming capability of the brain remaining reasonably intact.

The bottom line is that when the brain (or other parts of our body) are denied their basic requirements these body parts will struggle on, doing the best they can before actually becoming fully inoperative.


My guess is that people just aren't aware of the enormous breadth and complexity of what the brain does. As a result, when the brain starts to fail to function properly we either celebrate recently taken hallucinogens or we suggest it must be images from the afterlife.

 

Good reply!

So...... you would not really have much of a problem with the seeming boost in IQ that so many near death experiencers seem to have?


http://community.humanityhealing.ne...-near-death-experience-and-iq-surges-given-to

Gary Plumley's near death experience and IQ surges given to people who have OBE/ NDE?

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https://apps.facebook.com/forumforpages/347674598652896/8999d971-b3e9-429e-902a-53756602d375/0
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I would have no problem with an actual scientific investigation. Who knows? Maybe the brain creates some beneficial chemical when under severe duress - sort of like adrenaline gets created to facilitate fight/flight.

Such a study might be difficult to conduct in a scientific manner, but I'd bet progress could be made.

 

It's not just about visions and "strange things can happen ". Some people can remember things like lives of other people and events which happened for real BUT they shouldn't remember those things because they weren't present when they happened. How do you explain that? One thing is to have random visions like when under the effect of drugs, one thing is when you have a clear vision of things which actually happened for real.

 

Sorry but there is no scientific evidence for that ever occuring. I Know it is a common mythology but unfortunatly every case ends up debunked.

 

That doesn't even begin to make a decent case. Anecdotal evidence is pretty much useless and one anecdote is supremely useless.

 

Is this better?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/scien...veal-shock-findings-from-groundbreaking-study

 

No all the study demonstrates that the brain may continue to function for a brief time after the heart stops. Proves absolutly nothing about life after death. Just another trash report of a scientific study where the article is designed to misslead the gullible about what the study actually determined.

 

What about the extensive studies on the remote viewing and the out of the body experience
as done on Ingo Swann and others?

I read a book back in the '90's about him..... and it certainly impressed me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingo_Swann

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Are you referring to some aspect of the idea of reincarnation?

I am of the belief that belief in reincarnation was a part of first century philosophy but......
the Roman Catholic Church suppressed this teaching due to the Emperor not liking the idea of reincarnating as a poor person.... or slave..... and paying off some negative karma.

 

The fact that a near death experience seems to boost..... rather than greatly decrease IQ and other mental gifts is one after effect of NDE's that should make us wonder if there could be something to them.

 

The Quran is a plagiarized piece of sh!t that is nothing more than a long rant against Jews and Christians.

The only group back in the 7th Century AD with any ax to grind at that time would have been the Persian Zoroastrians. So they are the ones who likely faked it.

 

Correct -- according to St. Paul's description of his "3rd Heaven ... whether in the body or out of the body" description.

 

Life begins pre-birth and pre-conception.

You have not been paying attention.

"Before Abraham was I AM."

 

It is most likely that whereas animals (besides humans) reincarnate, humans do not.

Humans go to Paradise, Purgatory, or Hell depending on whom you talk to ...

- the Pope;

- the Archbishop Of Canturbury;

- the Patriarch Of Constantinople;

etc.