Trump is the President of death

Trump fans have a real problem with reality. They simply can't face it, and they often times argue something doesn't exist when it is right in front of their noses. Such is the case here, and such is the case throughout this thread. Another Trump fan argued that Trump's three different positions om healthcare in three days, Monday through Wednesday, wasn't really three different positions.

Of course, Trump's decree, "Let Obamacare fail," was a decision he made. He said it. That is an exact quote. It is a decision manifested by his party's failure to pass a healthcare bill despite seven years of practice.

In addition, Trump is doing everything in his power to make the ACA fail, thus causing the death of many Americans through lack of healthcare.

He is the President of death.

 

Your entire argument is a false premise: Nobody is denied health care in the United States.

 

It relies on the mandate, subsidies, and compensations to insurance companies to keep companies from dropping out of the individual markets. Many folks who are self-employed or work for small businesses would find it impossible to find affordable health care if the government just pulled out. In fact, the waffling and threats are already doing damage because insurance companies don't know what is going to happen on that front.

And just so you know, the republicans are floundering right now because of these issues. Anything they put out will be doing the same thing in different ways, and if the government stopped supporting their plan, it would inevitably fail too.

So at this point, your question suggests you haven't paid attention to the health care issue or the policies suggested by Democrats or Republicans.

 

Lol. This is a ridiculous reply. Measures he has taken have benefited small business.

 

There are very perfide ways to kill a good law, like pulling the necessary funds for part of it.

So, your argument lacks in fundament from the get-go.

 

Obamacare was enacted with zero republican support. Not a one. If it fails, it will do so because the democrats decided they needed to pass a piece of legislation that they hadn't even read to get a "historical" gold star that was nothing but crap from the beginning. They are the ones that created the gap for working poor families; they are the ones that did not fund medicaid expansion; they are the ones that did not protect medicare advantage plans; they are the ones that decided that five and six thousand dollar coverage ramps were acceptable as long as the women on them got free birth control pills and devices. The republicans have no duty to fix a failed design.

 

They have had SEVEN years to come up with a viable alternative.
The result: CRICKETS.

It would be so refreshing to hear GOPers say what they really mean: that Obamacare should be killed off because easy access to health care is, in their minds, not a human right.

 

Such as....?

 

They have two different alternatives they cannot agree on. One is nothing and the other is the Ryan Plan.

 

So, just a bit of history here--My husband & myself have a Health Savings Account-set up years before OBAMACARE,so we had a substancial amount built up in that account ( because we were healthy & never had to use it)-However, because we had that account, very few insurance Company's were available to pick from,so the deductible ( $10,000 & premiums ($1,800 quarterly) were outrageous & going up every year ( there is that monopoly for ya)---then OBAMACARE was passed, we found a Insurance company that was part of the exchange that covered our Health Savings Account-deductible went down ( $6,000 & premiums were reasonable ( $1,400 quarterly),and we got to keep our doctor as he was in the exchange---So, in 2014 I had total knee replacements in both knees 2 months apart & 4 months later my husband had a heart attack & had quadtruple heart bypass---the total of our hospital bills for both were well over $500,000----We only had to pay $6000 deductible out of our Health Savings account----100 percent after deductible with no co-pay--So, the reason I give the history is, nobody can convince me that OBAMACARE does not work-worked beautifully for us when we needed it the most---Thank-You OBAMA---
So, you can bash OBAMA all you want, however,it falls on deaf ears here-----

 

I too have a HSA and it has saved us a lot of money. But ObamaCare did not create HSA's as you allude.

The HSA was created in the US by the Bush 43 administration. This was to be done in conjunction with Medicare reform but it was done as part of the Medicare Part D legislation. The HSA was not a creation of ObamaCare - in fact ObamaCare attempted to discontinue HSA's. ObamaCare's basic model is to create a very expensive health insurance policy consisting of many mandated coverages. The healthy and young were mandated to purchase these policies and those who could not afford the premiums were subsidized. One result of ObamaCare are the bronze plans which resulted in annual deductibles of ~ $10K per family which is basically no health insurance at all for routine matters. It's basically catastrophic insurance with huge deductible. ObamaCare also greatly expanded Medicaid and if fact most of those who gained coverage under ObamaCare ended up in Medicaid.

 

Yeah, I'm waiting for the answer to this one. ^^

 

Next year, about 35,000 people buying insurance in Affordable Care Act marketplaces in 45 counties could have no carriers to choose from. This would be the first time that has happened since the marketplaces were opened in 2014.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/09/us/counties-with-one-or-no-obamacare-insurer.html

The Trump administration is doing everything it can to raise premiums beyond the ability of people to pay.

Perhaps the most drastic way that the Trump administration is sabotaging American's health insurance is by refusing to commit to reimbursing health plans for the cost-sharing reduction payments they make to lower out-of-pocket costs for their lowest income members. Insurance companies are currently in the process of determining their rates for the 2018 plan year, and without a guarantee from the administration that they will receive the payments they are owed, they will factor that added cost into their premiums for next year. And you don't have to take my word for it – the Kaiser Family Foundation estimates that insurers would need to raise premiums for silver-level plans by an average of 19 percent to compensate if the administration will not commit to making the cost-sharing reduction payments.

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/poli...aised-your-health-care-premiums-not-obamacare

In this case people aren't denied health insurance. They just can't afford it.

Trump is the President of death. Not one Trump supporter has been able to refute the facts concerning health care. Instead, they simply deny the facts as is the case of this poster.

 

Yeah its the way to go if you want to buy a lousy plan; there are much better plans you can buy with much less of a deductible. Guess you must have missed that part.

 

All this is very informative and I understand you were replying to someone's story. The fact remains this has nothing to do with the subject of this thread, Trump, the Republican Congress and healthcare which Trump and the Republicans are botching.

I watched Chris Wallace this morning. Wallace asked Senator John Thune, R-S.D., third ranking member in the Senate, which bill is going to be addressed this coming week, repeal the ACA or repeal and replace the ACA. Thune mused about a procedural vote to start debate and amendments to the bill, but never answered Wallace's question. The third ranking member of the Senate didn't know the nature of the bill in the Senate this coming week.

Thune acknowledged there may not be enough votes to start debate.

Senator Ben Cardin, D-MD, also made an appearance. He stated that the Democrats are ready to help with healthcare. They just haven't been asked, neither by Trump nor Republican Senators.

 

Now you are moving the goalposts: I didn't say health insurance. I said health care. Nobody is denied health care. And I am not a Trump supporter. Get your facts straight before you make yourself look even more foolish.

 

What are you talking about? Do you know?

Be specific. Trumpsters love generalizations and hate being asked to put up or shut up.

Fact is, most of them have no idea what they are talking about. I hope you are different. Are you?

 

If we have to fund it, it's a failure from the get-go

 

I am not moving the goal posts. I started this thread and, up to now, we have been talking about health insurance and how Trump and the Republicans are screwing it up. Also being discussed is the fact that the lack of health insurance causes people to die, thus, the title of this thread.

Then you pop up say nobody is denied health care. That's true. If a bum collapses on the street with a heart attack, he will get health care at an emergency room which you and I will pay for.

Do you mind telling me what that has to do with Trump, Congress, and the healthcare bills. That is the subject of this thread, not a hobo getting health care at an emergency room.

 

In NY there are various levels of plans you can purchase that afford better coverage and less deductibles; the bronze plan (which is the cheapest plan), the Silver which has less of a deductible and the gold plan which has I believe the lowest deductible out of the three. I've been told that there allegedly is a platinum plan, but I've never seen it in person. What many people do is buy the cheapest plan hoping they don't get sick and if they do become sick the deductible has to be met before any monies can be paid out.

Then people who buy these plans become angry since there is a high deductible and blame it on ACA because they cheaped out in the first place, so what do they expect? For most of us, we have medical plans through our employers so for us its not an issue either way; my suggestion is that they ought to buy the gold plan or talk to their employer about providing a medical insurance package for them.

 

Obviously youve never had to pick between buying health insurance or paying a mortgage. Gold and platinum plans are out of reach for most working folks. Easier to quit work, go on welfare and get it for free.

 

You said "Trump is the president of death" and claimed that people will die because of his policies. Not having health insurance does not mean you will die. And that domestically challenged individual to which you refer above ("bum" is not a nice way to talk about people) will cost us under Obamacare just as under Trumpcare or whatever it ends up being.

 

Government not giving my money to someone else does not equal killing people, no matter how many times you play that losing hand

 

Of course he knows. The D's are willing to fix ObamaCare but there is no fixing a program with such a significantly flawed premise.

 

"For most of us, we have medical plans through our employers so for us its not an issue either way; my suggestion is that they ought to buy the gold plan or talk to their employer about providing a medical insurance package for them."

Your suggestion makes no sense.