Was Hillary's loss result of campaigning in error?

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  1. AFM

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    Call your Congressman and have the law reversed. And then explain to the workers who lose their jobs why the bankruptcy laws were changed.

    And you just can't make up the depths of the Trump Derangement Syndrome. But keep working for Putin as faithful UI's - the KGB appreciates it.

    Just how do bankruptcy laws kill small businesses ?? Dodd Frank and ObamaCare have done much more to reduce the number of small businesses than any other gov policies.
     
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    Oh, is that why she deleted ALL of those emails? Come on, nobody is buying the excuses anymore. The woman is a mess.
     
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    Here's more:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/heres-what-really-happened-to-hillary-1505431677
    OPINION POTOMAC WATCH
    Here’s What Really Happened to Hillary
    Voters found her unappealing, and they rejected Bernie’s ideology too.
    Bernie Sanders endorsing Hillary Clinton in Portsmouth, N.H., July 12, 2016. PHOTO: TAYLOR HILL/WIREIMAGE
    By Kimberley A. Strassel
    Sept. 14, 2017 7:27 p.m. ET
    Republicans have issues, but Democrats have them too. Witness the two individuals who dominated this week’s news—and who conveniently represent the left’s most crippling problems.

    Hillary Clinton is again everywhere, touting her new memoir and adding to the list of who and what are to blame for her loss: Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders, Barack Obama, James Comey, Jill Stein, Vladimir Putin, Julian Assange, Anthony Weiner, sexism, misogyny, the New York Times , lazy women, liberal activists and the “godforsaken Electoral College.” All she’s missing is climate change.

    Hillary’s take on “What Happened” has unsurprisingly unleashed another round of analysis about her mistakes—Wisconsin, deplorables, email. These sorts of detailed postmortems of failed campaigns are popular, but they tend to obscure the bigger reasons for failure. In this case: The Democratic Party saddled itself with an ethically compromised and joyless candidate, because it had nobody else.

    Hillary spent eight years planning her first presidential bid, and the next eight warning Democrats not to get in the way of her second. The Clinton Foundation was erected to serve as bank and Rolodex, and to enable the Clintons to retain their grip over the party. And that party was committed to a Clinton coronation, right up to Mr. Sanders’s cheeky assault.

    Mr. Obama aided Mrs. Clinton’s ambitions by decimating his party. By the time Barack Obama finished his eight years in office, his party held 65 fewer House seats, 14 fewer governorships and controlled 30 fewer state legislatures. It had turned a once-filibuster-proof Senate majority into minority status. The big-tent Democratic coalition shriveled to a coastal, progressive minority, wiping out a generation of Democratic politicians and most of the party’s political diversity.

    And so the party nominated perhaps the only Democrat in the country who could rival Donald Trump in unpopularity—and beat him in untrustworthiness. Mr. Sanders refused to go after Mrs. Clinton on her ethical baggage, even though it was her biggest weakness and despite how glaringly obvious was the risk that her foundation and server scandals would hobble a general-election campaign. The parties gave the country a choice between two unpopular people, and the country disliked her more. The real question is how Democrats rebuild a party whose senior leaders in the House boast an average age of 72 and which has almost no young, experienced up-and-comers.

    Which brings us to Mr. Sanders, the symbol of Democrats’ other big problem. This week the senator, flanked by about one-third of Senate Democrats, released his “Medicare for All” proposal to nationalize health care. These are the ascendant voices in the party. Yet there are few of them, because their agenda is highly unpopular.

    Mr. Sanders was an unexpected force in the primary, though mostly because he wasn’t Hillary. Sanders supporters resent this argument, and claim the only reason his agenda didn’t triumph is because the DNC robbed him of the election. If so, why did Bernie’s people and ideas fail spectacularly everywhere else on the ballot?

    In Wisconsin Mr. Sanders campaigned for Russ Feingold, who promised a $15 federal minimum wage, an end to trade deals and free college. Mr. Feingold lost to Republican Sen. Ron Johnson. In upstate New York, in a white, working-class district, Mr. Sanders endorsed Zephyr Teachout, who railed against bankers and lobbyists, fought fracking and Citizens United, and opposed trade. Republican John Faso beat her for the open seat by eight percentage points, on a promise to kill Dodd-Frank. Democrats wouldn’t even vote for Tim Canova, the man who primaried Mr. Sanders’s archenemy, Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

    An extraordinary 79% of Colorado voters said no to a ballot initiative for ColoradoCare, the state version of Mr. Sanders’s universal health-care proposal. This in a state that Hillary Clinton won. Liberal Vermont pulled its own single-payer plug in 2014. In California, Mr. Sanders endorsed and campaigned for Proposition 61, which was designed to impose prescription drug price controls. It went down to substantial defeat in a state Mrs. Clinton won by 30 points.

    Progressives will argue that all they need to elect a Bernie or an Elizabeth is the right way of pitching their “populist” policies of free health care or price-controlled drugs to the white working class and independents. But so far they’ve been unable to sell them even to bright blue states. And this wishful thinking ignores that even if voters supported some of those provisions, they’d also have to swallow a progressive agenda that includes an energy crackdown, a retreat from the terror fight, and the culture of identity politics.

    Republicans have failed to unite or govern or pass their biggest priorities. But the political analysts are setting themselves up for another surprise if they ignore the big reasons Democrats lost this election, and what comes next.

    Write to kim@wsj.com.

    Appeared in the September 15, 2017, print edition as 'Here’s What Really Happened.'

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clinton-is-not-sorry-1505507916

    BOOKS BOOKSHELF
    Hillary Clinton is Not Sorry
    The 2016 Democratic presidential candidate explains “What Happened.”

    PHOTO: AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE/GETTY IMAGES
    By Barton Swaim
    Sept. 15, 2017 4:38 p.m. ET
    105 COMMENTS
    Only Hillary Clinton could make this book boring. “What Happened” (Simon & Schuster, 494 pages, $30) recounts the events of her 2016 presidential campaign, defends her own conduct and decisions, and assigns the blame for her loss to Donald Trump in the November election. Ms. Clinton has always been a tough critic of her foes. Surely we were in for a scorcher. And yet it’s a snoozer—excruciatingly tedious.

    Readers of her first two memoirs won’t be surprised. The reason for the dreariness of “Living History” (2003), about her upbringing and eight years as first lady, and “Hard Choices” (2014), about her time as secretary of state, isn’t bad writing or the inability to tell a story. They’re fluent and well-structured narratives, and they don’t avoid the controversies and scandals that have dogged her public career: Travelgate, the Rose law firm’s billing records, Whitewater, the Lewinsky scandal and impeachment trial of her husband, her response to the attacks on American diplomats in Benghazi, Libya.

    What makes these accounts so hard to enjoy, even for her admirers, is Ms. Clinton’s intense belief in her own righteousness and her effort to use every word at her disposal to make you believe in it, too. “What Happened” is full of long, detailed explanations of why Ms. Clinton and her campaign were always well-meaning and principled but constantly disadvantaged and repeatedly sabotaged at crucial moments. Ms. Clinton blames her loss on Donald Trump’s dishonesty; his campaign’s ability to generate unthinking resentment; FBI Director James Comey’s unprecedented blabbing about his agency’s investigation into her use of a private email server; the media’s fixation on that investigation; Vladimir Putin’s interference on the Trump campaign’s behalf; sexism; and the voters who assumed she would win and didn’t vote. But Americans with any interest in politics have been discussing and debating these points for the past 10 months. The only thing distinguishing Ms. Clinton’s discussion is the rigorously one-sided way in which she presents it.


    The author seems vaguely aware that the book’s chief hypothesis is improbable—was everybody really at fault except her and her senior campaign staff?—and so at various points she offers half-hearted declarations that she bears the ultimate blame. But how can she bear the blame if she never did anything wrong? This paradox haunts all three of her memoirs and deprives them of any genuine insight or interesting thought.

    In a passage early in this book, she recalls the severe criticisms she received as a result of earning millions of dollars in speaking fees from banking groups and refusing to release the transcripts of what she said. “When you know why you’re doing something and you know there’s nothing more to it and certainly nothing sinister, it’s easy to assume that others will see it the same way,” she writes. “That was a mistake. Just because many former government officials have been paid large fees to give speeches, I shouldn’t have assumed it would be okay for me to do it. . . . I should have realized it would be bad ‘optics’ and stayed away from anything having to do with Wall Street. I didn’t. That’s on me.”

    Her “mistake” was to think her critics were honest and fair. Her fault was failing to remember that perfectly innocent activities can have “bad ‘optics.’ ”

    Other moments of self-criticism similarly miss the “self” part. “Why did I lose?” she asks nearly 400 pages in. “I go back over my own shortcomings and the mistakes we made. I take responsibility for all of them. You can blame the data, blame the message, blame anything you want—but I was the candidate. It was my campaign. Those were my decisions.” Note the pronoun: “You” can blame the data or the message. If you do, Ms. Clinton will “take responsibility.”

    But what does that mean, exactly? Throughout the book, she pointedly does not blame the data or the message; she vigorously defends her campaign on both counts. What’s meant to sound like a mea culpa is just another insistence that she was basically right about everything.

    A memoirist no less than a politician must have some genuine awareness of his or her deficiencies and some ability to express that awareness. The trouble with “What Happened” is not that Ms. Clinton insists that she was right and that her adversaries were wrong and unfair in their criticisms. The trouble with her writing, and indeed with her whole political persona, is that she is obsessed with her own rectitude, and nobody else is.

    In all three of her memoirs, she quotes an apocryphal line from John Wesley and claims that it’s a personal credo: “Do all the good you can, for all the people you can, in all the ways you can, as long as ever you can.” Ms. Clinton thinks of this implausible dictum as somehow essential to her political brand, even as the rest of us think of her as a tough, ambitious and pragmatic politician. Her determination to make us see her as she sees herself is what makes her writing so profoundly dull—and perhaps also what made her susceptible to defeat by a man who, whatever his weaknesses, can’t be called boring.
     
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    I was told the DNC is clean and pure. Why would hacking them and showing everyone how honorable collectivist are, hurt Hillary? It should of helped her if anything.
     
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    They will say anything, and justify any action that benefits them politically at the moment. If it becomes a problem later, they will deny saying it, or be like, "get over it".

    0 standards 0 credibility
     
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    I notice more and more drones have gone from, Hillary smartest woman in the world, landslide, to, she ain't nothing, I never worshiped her that much.
     
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    Her odds would have been much better if she didn't violate the espionage act over 100 times and get busted rigging the primary.
     
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    Wiener didn't help either. Right when the collective was doing everything they could to cover up pizzagate, had to make people wonder, WTF is going on at the DNC?

    :roflol:"C" is for classified
     
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    Correct. It was freaking obvious to everyone with a functioning brain that there was something severely physically wrong with Hillary, and not only related to stumbling and falling at odd times. She also very clearly had no stamina. She actually lacked the physical ability to campaign in an aggressively robust manner in a sustained way. She would endlessly come roaring out of the gate and then after a few days just peter out as if she'd used up all she had. Then she would vanish for upwards of several weeks before doing the same thing again. It was pathetic.

    The fact that the bulk of the Left controlled Mainstream Media did their very best to pretend that there was absolutely nothing wrong with Hillary -- when intelligent viewers could SEE that there was -- only helped turn voters off from her candidacy. If she HAD to hide behind the leftist press while it blocked and tackled for her, then what sort of president would she be? Granted her obvious health issues were only one set of factors in her loss. She was simply an extraordinarily bad candidate and the corrupt to the core DNC had ample time to discover the reality of that fact well before they fronted her as president as a done Dem Party deal.
     
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    Psssst . . . what they don't believe is that it had anything to do with Trump campaign collusion. That meme was so obviously an example of sour grape politics from the DNC and their MSM puppets that even nominal liberals no longer really believe in it; they are however spiritually corrupt enough to continue mouthing the Party line.
     
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    It's because in their collective assessment eight years of Obama created a coffin for the Right's political power and influence in this nation and that was to immediately be followed by eight more years of Hillary Clinton performing the leftist function of being the pounding nails. When that faith-based dream came to a crashing end and with it the Hope of a Change to a leftist utopia they collectively went insane . . . and still show minimal signs of regaining their mental balance.
     
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    That's weird since during her campaign you famously declared her the undisputed winner because you just KNEW that Trump had no chance. Are you now conceding that it actually matters how you campaign and that just because the DNC and the leftist Mainstream Media pre-anoints their jointly selected candidate at the very beginning of the primaries and then operate with the meme that she has a vagina and deserves to be president, she is not necessarily an automatic win?
     
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    Originally -- and right up to about two weeks before the election -- most of those polling companies ALL of whom HEAVILY donated to the DNC by the way -- predicted about a 14% margin win for Hillary Clinton in a blatant attempt to influence voters before they even went to the voting booth.

    The poling only began reflecting anything approaching reality and common sense right before voting began and probably so that those corrupted polling companies would not look like total tools IF Hillary won by only a few margin points after the fact. But the average citizen KNEW that those polling companies were outright lying for Hillary and for the DNC. It was obvious. Most of what Hillary and the DNC did were obvious to people and just as obviously were not in their best interests.
     
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    Notice that the polling was gradually adjusted for reality the closer we got to the election date? but before that the polling was blatantly LYING for the benefit of Hillary Clinton and the DNC in an obvious effort to influence potential voters . . . and citizens caught on to it and . . . got . . . angry.
     
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    Whilst folks obsess over specific candidates and speculate over what those who lost might have done differently, those are not necessarily the determinative factors.

    Trump's managing an electoral college victory as he lost the popular vote was achieved by his modest margins in three states, but the show business performer had succeeded in vanquishing a number of experienced GOP politicians in the primaries and, even with his loathsome boast that his celebrity licensed him to sexually molest women being exposed shortly before the election, it was an anomalous national Zeitgeist that rejected the establishment.

    Hillary haters/Trump lovers are driven by emotion, but the election's outcome might have has less to do with the personages than some like to imagine.

    For whatever reasons, Trump peaked at the right time, and his dismal approval numbers nationally now reflect a greater disenchantment in red states.

    Trump's disastrous presidency (Even far right political entertainer Ann Coulter is asking "At this point, who DOESN'T want Trump impeached?"), naturally, has folks musing as to what Clinton might have done to prevent it, but some afflictions defy logical analysis.

    Sometimes, the fault, dear Brutus, is not in ourselves, but in our stars.
     
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    Whether Clinton would be a good or bad president or whether you like her or not is really beside the point. Were it not for Russia and Comey we'd have her in the White House.
     
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    And those excuses were supplied by the Clinton campaign after she lost. It is a known fact that she is a liar so why would you believe anything she claims?
     
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    And her claim of sniper fire in Bosnia, being named after Sir Edmund Hillary et al? Are those and others just mistakes or a pattern of behavior inherent in a criminal?
     
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    Nobody cares.

    She lost.

    Next. :bored:
     
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    No body cares? It's why she lost.
     
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    She lost.

    It doesn't matter "why" or whose "fault" it is.

    The USA can't rerun the election. It is what it is.

    It is a complete waste of time (at this point) to discuss "woulda, coulda, shoulda".
     
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    Wrong. She and her minions care as they keep trying to claim that she actually won. Another in her series of lies.
     
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    Then why do these oh so wise democrats keep trying to do exactly that?
     
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    You think? Let's compare:

    Trump lies over one year 8/1/16 to 7/31/17

    [1]Amazon has a "no-tax monopoly."

    CNN’s ratings are "way down."

    "This Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story. It's an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should've won."

    Before the presidential campaign, "I didn't know Steve (Bannon)."

    Terrorism and terrorist attacks in the United States and Europe have "gotten to a point where it's not even being reported."

    "If Russia, or some other entity, was hacking, why did the White House wait so long to act? Why did they only complain after Hillary lost?"

    There was "serious voter fraud" in Virginia.

    There was "serious voter fraud" in New Hampshire.

    There was "serious voter fraud" in California.

    Says he "won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally."

    Says that at a campaign rally President Barack Obama "spent so much time screaming at a protester, and frankly it was a disgrace."

    Says Hillary Clinton "wants to let people just pour in. You could have 650 million people pour in and we do nothing about it. Think of it. That’s what could happen. You triple the size of our country in one week."

    "Wikileaks also shows how John Podesta rigged the polls by oversampling Democrats, a voter suppression technique."

    When Hillary Clinton "ran the State Department, $6 billion was missing. How do you miss $6 billion? You ran the State Department, $6 billion was either stolen — they don't know."

    "It’s possible that non-citizen voters were responsible for Obama’s 2008 victory in North Carolina."

    "Of course, there is large scale voter fraud happening on and before election day."

    "We don't have any" chess grandmasters in the United States.

    Says he won the second debate with Hillary Clinton "in a landslide" in "every poll."

    Says a tweet he sent out "wasn’t saying, ‘check out a sex tape.’ It was just ‘take a look at" the background of Alicia Machado.

    “Our African-American communities are absolutely in the worst shape they've ever been in before. Ever. Ever. Ever."

    Says a tweet he sent out "wasn’t saying, ‘check out a sex tape.’ It was just ‘take a look at" the background of Alicia Machado.

    "I finished" the controversy about where President Barack Obama was born.

    “My opponent has no child care plan."

    Says Hillary Clinton has "not answered a single question" about her immigration plan.

    The number of illegal immigrants "could be 3 million. It could be 30 million."
    Donald Trump is wrong that 'inner-city crime is reaching record levels'

    Says the U.S. election system is "rigged."

    Says Barack Obama "founded ISIS. I would say the co-founder would be crooked Hillary Clinton."

    "Hillary Clinton says she wants to, ‘raise taxes on the middle class.’ "

    "I’m beating (Kelly Ayotte) in the polls by a lot."

    "We have a fire marshal that said, 'Oh we can't allow more people’ ... And the reason they won't let them in is because they don't know what the hell they're doing."


    All in the year from Aug 1, 2015 though July 31, 2017, all:

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    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/rulings/pants-fire/?page=1

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    "We've achieved a historic increase in defense spending to get our troops the support they so richly deserve."

    During the Nixon Watergate investigation, "out of courtesy, the FBI started reporting to the Department of Justice. But there was nothing official."

    "We’ve signed more bills -- and I’m talking about through the legislature -- than any president ever."

    Says his job approval poll numbers are "not bad" relative to other presidents at this point in his presidency.

    Says John Podesta "refused to give the DNC server to the FBI and the CIA. Disgraceful!"

    "We're pretty much at the 50 percent mark" on deportations of MS-13 gang members.

    "China will be allowed to build hundreds of additional coal plants. So we can’t build the plants, but they can, according to this (Paris) agreement."

    "At least 7 dead and 48 wounded in terror attack and Mayor of London says there is ‘no reason to be alarmed!’ "

    Deals struck on his first foreign trip as president made and saved "millions of jobs."

    "Dems want billions to go to Insurance Companies to bail out donors"

    "No administration has accomplished more in the first 90 days."

    "All pipelines that are coming into this country from now on has to be American steel."

    "The weak illegal immigration policies of the Obama Admin. allowed bad MS 13 gangs to form in cities across U.S. We are removing them fast!"

    "When you look for a job, you can't find it and you give up. You are now considered statistically employed."

    "The NSA and FBI tell Congress that Russia did not influence electoral process."

    "Germany owes ... vast sums of money to NATO & the United States must be paid more for the powerful, and very expensive, defense it provides to Germany!"

    Says "the New York Times wrote about" Barack Obama wiretapping Donald Trump during the election.

    "Look at what’s happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this? Sweden. They took in large numbers. They’re having problems like they never thought possible."

    "While on FAKE NEWS @CNN, Bernie Sanders was cut off for using the term fake news to describe the network. They said technical difficulties!"

    Says CNN’s Chris Cuomo "never asked" Sen. Richard Blumenthal about Blumenthal's misstatements on his own service in Vietnam.

    "The murder rate in our country is the highest it’s been in 47 years."

    Says "109 people out of hundreds of thousands of travelers" were affected by the immigration executive order.

    "If you were a Muslim, you could come in, if you were a Christian, it was impossible."

    "Here in Philadelphia murder has been steady — I mean — just terribly increasing."

    "The media ... sort of made it sound like I had a feud with the intelligence community."

    Americans don't "care at all" about Donald Trump's tax returns.

    "We had a massive landslide victory, as you know, in the Electoral College."

    "The @nytimes sent a letter to their subscribers apologizing for their BAD coverage of me."

    The @nytimes states today that DJT believes ‘more countries should acquire nuclear weapons.’ How dishonest are they. I never said this!"

    Beyonce and Jay Z, I like them, I like them ... I get bigger crowds than they do. It's true. I get far bigger crowds."

    "I have tremendous support from women."

    The media "never show crowds."

    "Twitter, Google and Facebook are burying the FBI criminal investigation of Clinton. Very dishonest media!"

    Says Ohio’s I-X Center "used to be a great plant," but "thousands of people of worked here, and they left" when their jobs were moved overseas.

    "14 percent of noncitizens are registered to vote."

    The stories from women saying he groped or forced himself on them "largely have been debunked."

    Says Hillary Clinton is "wrong" to say he mocked a disabled reporter.

    Says Hillary Clinton was "let off the hook" for her email scandal while Gen. David Petraeus had his life "destroyed for doing far, far less."

    "I've gotten to see the commercials that they did on you. And I've gotten to see some of the most vicious commercials I've ever seen of Michelle Obama talking about you, Hillary."

    Says Sidney Blumenthal wrote that the Benghazi attack was "almost certainly preventable. Clinton was in charge of the State Department, and it failed to protect U.S. personnel and an American consulate in Libya."

    Says after Hillary Clinton helped a man accused of raping a 12-year-old, "she's seen laughing on two separate occasions, laughing at the girl who was raped."

    Says Hillary Clinton "wants to go to a single-payer plan" for health care

    Says he has "a fiduciary responsibility to his business, his family and his employees to pay no more tax than legally required."

    "In her campaign for president, Hillary Clinton has received $100 million in contributions from Wall Street and hedge funds."

    Says to Hillary Clinton, "You heard what I said about (the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal), and all of a sudden you were against it."

    "NATO is opening up a major terror division. ... I'm sure I'm not going to get credit for it, but that was largely because of what I was saying and my criticism of NATO."

    Says "Hillary Clinton's plan would bring in 620,000 refugees in her first term, alone, with no effective way to screen or vet them. Her plan would cost $400 billion in terms of lifetime welfare and entitlement costs."

    Says Hillary Clinton’s energy agenda "will cost the U.S. economy over $5 trillion"

    Says top Clinton advisers "were pressing" birther movement stories "very hard."

    "I did not support the war in Iraq … The record shows that I’m right."

    "You will learn more about Donald Trump by going down to the Federal Elections" to see the financial disclosure form than by looking at tax returns.

    "I never said" that Muslims would be subject to profiling under his policies.

    "Hillary Clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy."

    "Our veterans, in many cases, are being treated worse than illegal immigrants."

    "I was totally against the war in Iraq."

    "I released the most extensive financial review of anybody in the history of politics. … You don't learn much in a tax return."

    As governor, Tim Kaine "oversaw a huge increase in illegal immigration, a tremendous increase."

    Says Hillary Clinton "wants to raise taxes on African-American owned businesses to as much as nearly 50 percent more than they're paying now."

    Says Hillary Clinton is "proposing to print instant work permits for millions of illegal immigrants to come in and take everybody's jobs, including low-income African-Americans."

    "I had previously said that NATO was obsolete because it failed to deal adequately with terrorism. Since my comments, they have changed their policy and now have a new division focused on terror threats."

    "The Obama-Clinton war on coal has cost Michigan over 50,000 jobs."

    Says he saw videotape "of the people taking the money off the plane" to pay ransom to Iran for hostages.

    "Youth unemployment is through the roof."


    All in the year from Aug 1, 2016 to July 31, 2017, all:

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    http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/?page=1
    Trump lies over one year 10/1/15 to 10/1/16
     
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    Why would you think I'm believing Clinton. The only people not saying it are trump's knuckle dragging, kool-aid drinkers.
     

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