Was Hillary's loss result of campaigning in error?

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  1. Steady Pie

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    Your avatar has given me sexual feelings toward Taylor Swift where there previously were none. Conservative women are hot.

    Anyway, I find that most Republicans who went "anti-war/defense of the homeland only" for a bit against Clinton aren't really committed to the principle. Are you?
     
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    Agree Conservative women are hot, but also tend to have a personality.

    Im not antiwar per se. I just think it should be a last resort and only utilized when there is a specific plan with support and a plan for post victory.

    I would never have ceded Iraq to ISIS like Obama did. Its not better to pull out and then come back in (and now to Syria) like we are now. Examples of silly recent interventions include Libya and Syria.
     
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    It's more complicated than that. It happened when Obama intervened in Libya. Operation Odyssey Dawn (supported by many Republicans) began a useless stage of killing for no reason. That incident alone pushed me further away from Republicanism, to libertarianism. Syria is total chaos and Russia wants to handle it...we should let them.
     
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  4. ChrisL

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    All of Hillary's interference has turned those countries into even worse hell holes than they were before she stuck her big nose into them. She does not know how to manage anything.
     
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    She can't even manage her own email accounts, never mind a country.
     
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    The electorate has been abandoning the Dems for the last 8 years - this isn't just about Trump.
    Your ideology is being rejected on every level of government.
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    Do you think Al Capone committed murder, smuggling, prostitution, robberies etc.
    They got him for tax evasion. It sounds like you'd vote for him. Such an innocent man.
    Testify against her and you wake up dead.
     
  8. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    At least Capone was convicted of SOMETHING.
     
  9. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Says the man who thinks 4 bankruptcies indicate a superior businessman
     
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    TDS. ^^
     
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    What man said that? What are you talking about? I think your Trump Derangement Syndrome is getting critical!
     
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    He's parroting what he said Chris.

    Words from lefty sources tell him what he needs to know.
     
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  13. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    I'm sorry, Trump didn't have 4 bankruptcies and/or you don't think Trump is a good businessman? My apologies.
     
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    You're implying Trump had 4 personal bankruptcies. He didn't.

    He did use bankruptcy as a legal tool within his businesses. The business world isn't always pretty. It's the way things work.

    There was nothing legal about Hillary's private server. Comey said she would have been subject to serious consequences if she was still a government employee. Hillary still might still be in deep dodo if purgury charges are brought against her for lying under oath in Congressional testimony.

    Bottom line: False equivalence.
     
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    You said, "says the man who . . . " what man are you talking about? I didn't quote anyone there that I'm aware of. Those were my own words.
     
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    I think some of the lefties have lost their marbles over Trump, not that they weren't close to it to begin with!
     
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    And the fact remains that if you can't manage an email account, then you surely can't manage a country!
     
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    What???? Hillary admitted to using her personal home server for things she KNEW she wasn't supposed to use it for. She put national security at risk, and then she wants to run for president, and you are stupid enough to vote for her? WTF is WRONG with you people anyways?
     
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    Stop with the ad hominem attacks, it's a violation of board rules

    She was convicted of no crime. The person investigating her said that no reasonable judge would have done anything to her because she had not compromised security in any way. You make it sound as if she put the launch codes on her I-phone whereas what she did was to install a server that probably had better security than the government. What you want to do to her is the equivalent of throwing someone in jail because they didn't see a stop sign that bushes had grown over.

    Oh, and it's better to vote for an ignorant lout because of that
     
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  20. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Bankruptcy isn't a business "tool", Bankruptcy used the way he did is a way of screwing your creditors. It's a symptom of the way Trump did business, he screwed everyone around him, and now he's screwing us and all the Trumpistas are just grabbing their ankles and the Vaseline and lining up
     
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    Call it what you want. Unless I'm missing something, were those business bankruptcies illegal?? You're big on constantly harping that Hillary has been convicted of no crime. Has Trump committed criminal bankruptcy? If so, please do tell.

    On several occasions I've listed the documented actions of Hillary that are criminal. Her lying under oath to Congress regarding her rogue server is just one. Does the fact that our system is so politically screwed up that charges haven't been filed mean she's clean? Of course not. It's intellectually dishonest to imply she is. Still, I have a feeling you're going to still go down that path. It would be refreshing to hear from you otherwise.
     
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    Hillary is a politician, and like all politicians, she lies. According to Politico she lies 31% of the time. Bernie Sanders lies 29% and Trump lies 71%

    Hillary made a MISTAKE in regard to a very complicated Security process, the same mistake that is commonly made by high government officials, such as Colin Powell and Mike Pence, both of whom have made similar mistakes. To even mention it as a disqualification for POTUS let alone act as if Hillary should have suffered criminal prosecution for it is patently absurd.
     
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    The simplicity of this response is astounding. You completely ignore, for good reasons, the quality of the lies. Nobody touches Hillary in that category. Nobody. You do understand the difference between quantity and quality, don't you?

    Intentionally setting up your own private server is not a mistake. It's a choice. A choice Hillary made to hide and keep stuff out of the public domain. Deleting 30,000 e-mails with industrial strength erase software is not a mistake. It's was a choice. A choice Hillary made to eliminate incriminating communications forever. The only MISTAKE from her perspective was getting caught.

    BTW, did Powell and Pence set up their own private servers to conduct sensitive and classified government communications?? I seemed to have missed that. Please provide some info.

    The crime was more the cover-up. Comey confirmed that Hillary, while under oath, lied to Congress about private server activity. She lied about sending and receiving classified information. She lied about only having used one device. She lied about returning all work related e-mails to the State Department. She lied about her lawyers reading every one of her e-mails. In summary, she lied about a whole bunch of stuff under oath. If you don't believe that by itself isn't disqualification for POTUS, I have to ask why? At what point does a total disregard and disdain for the law finally have consequences?
     
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    Bankruptcy absolutely is a business tool. The mechanism for legal bankruptcy is a product of the US government's legislative prerogative and is designed to allow businesses to recover from financial setbacks and continue to do business and save jobs.

    But what can we expect from those afflicted with Trump Derangement Syndrome ?? Certainly not an honest understanding of the origins and purpose of bankruptcy.
     
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    It's a controversial practice at best. You're supposed to allow and plan for financial setbacks, not stick it to your creditors when things don't go as you hoped. Going into a project planning to go bankrupt is clearly unethical and may be illegal. Doing it 4 times is clear indication of either a poor businessman and/or a crook and is the chief reason why Trump began to get his money from the Russian Mob rather than domestic lenders who would no longer deal with him.

    But what can we expect from acolytes of the God-Emperor? Certainly not an honest understanding of how bankruptcies and other forms of legalized non-payment by big businesses are one of the chief things that kill the small businesses they claim to love so.
     
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