MSNBC Says AR-15 as a "Military" Rifle. Whats a Mini-14?

Doesn't human history reveal rather clearly that all weapons are military weapons?

 

Yes he would be accurate in saying only round nose bullets can be fired safely in guns that have tube magazines. And yes I do know that Hornady makes make a 30 30 with a piont but it is a soft plastic tipped point.

 

Most all gun designs and calibers where at one time military weapons. If you are going to develop a weapon or round who would you try to sell your products to. Alot of times the government and the army were the ones that decided who the winners and losers would be when it can to weapons designs. The is it a military weapons or not is truly a pointless argument.

 

I have multiple weapons for multiple things. If i am hunting I use my ar 10 in a 260 or my bolt 308. If i just want a rifle for the sake of having one I grab my dpms ar sporter. Sometimes i have my cz 22 250 or my short Remington 223 bolt. And as for as a horse why would I be riding a horse I have a truck that works just fine. But if I was on a horse i would use one of my many 30 30s. And over kill for a coyote who cares we have to many and most of them of mange around here you shot and let them lay. At 400 to 800 yards I do not find it to be overkill, I would say a 223 would be under for the job.

 

Anyone in the US can suffer from a natural disaster. Including in the big cities!

Do you know how many cellphones were working after Katrina? Even a clue?

And what good does it do even if the cellphone is working when the nearest law enforcement or Natl Guard are miles away with no way to get to you?

Did you think your reply through at all?

 

Not everyone can afford to have multiple rifles for multiple purposes. There are lots of places a horse can go that a truck can't. When you are herding cattle a truck doesn't work very well!

I agree with you about the coyotes! Most coyotes around here are not shot at 400 to 800 yards. Out west where you don't have all the wind breaks you could get a shot at a coyote that far off but noticing a coyote at 800 yards means he's going to be long gone by the time you get a shot!

The AR-15 is a multi-function platform that works for a lot of things. Jack of all trades, master of none. If you can only have one, it is one of the best to have.

 

I don't agree that it is a useless argument. As far as I can find the .22-250 was not at one time a military caliber. Neither was the .243 or the .270.

The *concept* of gun designs probably are at one time military concepts. Bolt, lever, revolver, magazine, etc. But the functionality of each of the designs based on the concepts are not necessarily military.

 

Unless you are Rambo!

 

Certainly I did; law enforcement is literally 90 seconds away from me. I have land line backup in addition to cell phone and ham radio. The worst crime is an occasional domestic at the trailer park on the other side of town or drunk driving arrest. Sorry I cannot relate to your issues.

 

Finally an adult discussion about guns and mass killings.
True machine guns can be owned with special permits. There are a couple shooting ranges not far from me that have them and you can go and fire for a fee.
We both agree that it is not practical to ban guns at this point since there are just a vast amount of them out there. The problem of how to make it more difficult for someone to commit mass murder with a firearm is not possible to solve without limiting all weapons to single shot, reload manually weapons, preceded by confiscation. Any one fooolish enough to want to try it better get ready for a revolution.

Some people say mental health services will do the trick or help. Again not practical because how do you identify the potential mass killer? How do you do it without violating the Constitution? The piece of bacteria that murdered 20 children at the Sandy Hook school in CT was being treated for mental problems. He was not old enough to purchase guns but his "mother " was. She took him shooting at a range under supervision which is legal. She let him have access to the gun " safe" so he took out guns, gunned her dumb ass down and then went and murdered the children at the school he once attended. So what can you ? Stop any and all family members from owning guns if even one member of the family is a nut case? Not hardly.

You are correct that people want something done but there is nothing that I can come up with that would do it without banning and confiscating all weapons. Only the biggest sickest most ignorant anti gun freaks would want to do that.

PS Did you hear what that moron make believe preacher Pat Robertson said? He said test mass murders are caused because people do not have respect for the president and some other mumbles !,

 

Better range. I'd like to be as well armed as those trying to break in and steal my crap.

 

You might consider moving out of your crime infested neighborhood if things are that bad.

 

One should note that the primary difference in Civilian weapons and military ones other than full auto capability is that the military because of Geneva requires a full metal jacket. Civilian ammo does not. The full metal jacket is in fact less lethal than civilian ammo.

 

We can disagree that is debating. My point about the cars is that with a standard shift an experienced driver who is a very dexterous person could achieve shift chanes almost nearly as fast as an automatic. The same is true for someone really really good who can fire a semi autonalmost nearly as fast as an aitomatic.

So both can be a military weapon.

 

Sorry but on what my wife and i make on SS we aren't going anywhere.

 

No pension? Not easy making it on SS alone I'll bet.

 

The problem with such, however, is that a slide fire stock is not a necessary feature for discharging a firearm in a rapid manner that mimics and replicates the rate of fire of a fully-automatic firearm. The following video demonstrates such a fact.



Five rounds discharged within a span of one second of time, all done with nothing beyond the skill of the operator.

 

But we are talking about guns and there functionality. Mostly we are discussing the rate of Fire. You are correct that an unjacketed bullet will loose shape when it hits certain intenal masses hence cause more internal damage.

 

It's relatively easy if you saw to it that you limited your expenses beforehand. What difficulties I do have involve kids and grand kids more than my own issues. On the plus side the feds won't even accept my income tax paper work they say there's too many zeros.

 

Equals 300 RPM without making allowances for changing clips changing stances relocating aiming point etc. Note most full auto weapons can fire between 600 and 1000 RPM, mini guns 3000 -6000

 

For all practical purposes you are correct. Most weapons are for war or some form of defense not just hunting. That that is why we call them weapons and not hunting implements. That I believe us true for guns.
The bow or spear was developed fur hunting primarily but was used for defense then war. The gun was developed for war then applied as a hunting tool.

 

I did not address the bump stock or as the inventor called it the fire slide stock. You are correct though it does not matter.

 

You will never come up with a solution by ignoring the root cause and focusing on an inanimate object that is nothing more than a tool.

The only true solution focusing on the root cause was one offered here on the forum by someone I don't remember. Institute a new program of anonymous mental healthcare. Something people can use without fear of reprisal or the government finding out about. Then push the advertisement of it!

The problem is that our Bureaucratic Hegemony will never allow it to happen. It would have to be regulated to hell and back and the bureaucracy would find some reason to have to know everyone using the service.