The Basics, Abortion is a Homicide, Face that Fact

You really don't know much about the cost and other factors. Start about an average of $500 and go up from there. Then add in travel costs, time off from work, child care, etc.

Not unreasonable to figure at least $1500.

I really wish the pro-birthers would educate themselves. Losing a baby is a life wrenching experience. Having to put up with the ignorance of fundie nutters makes it a lot worse.

 

Abortion is "very personal issue" for almost everyone.

That's why its so wrong for outsiders to meddle.

Bottom line is still very simple: if you are not the pregnant woman, its none of your business.

MYOB

 

This post is so wrong, so incorrect but I will address only two points:

1. The reason for the abortion is immaterial but you do touch on the issue of responsibility. The cause of pregnancy is sperm. It is up to the male to use a condom. Period. As RWNJ fundies are fighting, and sometimes winning, to take hormonal birth control away from women, this is becoming even more important.

2. No one uses it for birth control. See my post above but if you have never lost a child you simply have no idea and no right to an opinion of those who have.

As stated above, unless you are the pregnant woman, this is not your business. Stop meddling in the very private an personal lives of others.
MYOB

 

The right actually fights to take money out of the pockets of the working class and into the pockets of the 1%.

The right believes in big government, more and more control others, more intrusive laws. The right constantly fights to control our most personal and private decisions. They want government controlling who we marry, when we reproduce and they want to force young children to be indoctrinated into bizarre cults at a very early age.

Marriage equality, women's right to control her own reproduction and any and all religions out of our schools.

Get government out of our personal, private lives.

MYOB

 

Most people who get an abortion do not do it to save their own lives. They get an abortion as birth control, because they were too irresponsible to use BC in the first place, in order to avoid a pregnancy. And so, they kill their unborn child, because they took a chance, and lost the bet. But taking a chance on another human's life is as irresponsible as one can get. You do not want to see the simple fact here, for whatever reason. Truth is, some humans value other human life and some do not. A person who aborts her unborn clearly lost value for human life. For it you actually valued it, you would not kill it. Yes, it is really that simple. And as basic as you can get.

Irresponsible human beings, create a need to kill the unborn human being. And they do it. And no amount of vaseline and intellectual wiggling will change the fact of the matter. I think you are self deceiving, that is all.

So, if the female does not use birth control, nor the male, both are irresponsible human beings and obviously only care about their own needs, even if another human loses its life in the process. The hard and cold logic of this is just another inconvenient truth.

 

See, you believe your handlers teaching. There are 47 percent not paying federal income taxes into the general fund. Taxes they pay come back to them as they age.

We believe in needed government. It is hard these days not to call needed government, big federal government but it is huge government. I want you to google the highest revenue received by the Bush government. Then review the next 8 years. Obama doubled down on the Bush revenue and bloated spending by double. Sad people want more spent on government than on the general public. Try this. Study Obama's one hurricane and see how today, the residents still are suffering, still complaining. Still getting the shaft by government. Democrats endorse poor government since they defacto tell us they do.

 

Here is what my wife and I got because she refused to have an abortion.

By the way, she is working towards a occupation as a Registered Nurse.

She shows up wearing the green bathing suit.

 

Lucky, you were never careless in your life. Yes, having unprotected sex is irresponsible...And unfortunately only the woman will have the physical consequences. What I don’t understand if a woman is so irresponsible, what would make you think should be a responsible mother? And you keep using the term kill as though an embryo is a cute little toddler . I used the analogy of an acorn. And an acorn is not an oak tree and a zygote is not a child. But aside from that, it’s a woman’s body and what she does with it is none of your business. Rather than focus on a zygote why don’t you focus on children who are born, the ones the government wants to cut benefits for.

 

Just think about the baby you lost if you had sex the day before. Don’t you miss him? (Sarcasm alert) You don’t miss what you never had

 

There is the deliberate act of killing your future child. Do you honestly suppose women simply never care? True some do not care. But this act will very often be the death to the relationship. You miss what you did not allow to be born.

 

How the heck could a decent father not want this woman, the daughter, to be born. She has such a lovely son. She gets most of her good looks from her mom.

 

If they use abortion as a means of birth control because they were irresponsible that is fine with me. If you need cancer treatment for smoking irresponsibily that is also fine with me. Responsibility is generally not a factor in whether a person gets treatment or not.

So flush it

 

What is funny is one leaps instantly from the act of destroying children to government. As if it is the duty of your own neighbors through a system called tax means you must pay for the children upon birth. Funny innit how the Democrats mind operates.

 

And a beautiful young lady! I say this as a proud father of two daughters, with my oldest being an RN, and my youngest being a very successsful person of business. And I am even doubly proud that neither one would have ever killed their own unborn child. But one of the things they were taught from a very early age is to be fully responsible human beings and to respect human life above all things. For this is the most basic value any person can have, to respect and be responsible towards others. And given the interdependence and the interrelationship of all things in this universe, including our society, the loss of value for all human life negatively affects the society. And in ways we are not even aware of. IMO, you can even see this loss of basic respect for human life with out police and policing. Being 75 years old, I can recall when our police had much more respect for human life, from just observation, but also because I had two people in my family who were cops, one a city cop and the other one with the Alabama Highway Patrol. And upon retirement they both said that they or their coworkers never shot a person to death. For there was a time when a cop was not as apt to draw down on a citizen and take his life unless it was absolutely necessary in order to save other lives. And so, it is my opinion that when abortion became the law of the land, over time it changed our values, some of us, in regards to human life. For now it was legal to kill other human beings, the unborn, in order to practice birth control.

To help with the conscience human beings have always drawn arbitrary lines of what constitutes a human life, and this is seen vividly when it comes to using abortion for birth control. And we live in an era of very effective birth control unlike in the past. And yet we still see so many abortions used for birth control today. So when one looks at this objectively, one can certainly see how irresponsible human beings are at fault. For they put their own needs above even an innocent human being. The height of pure selfishness and self centeredness. And yet we will see people deny this! As if they could honestly deny it. Yet in their minds it seems to work, for them. And so arbitrary lines are drawn as to what constitutes a human life and what does not constitute a human life, and at the end of the day, in their minds they didn't kill their own child, in development, they killed something else, and it isn't even a life at all! Of course the utter incoherence in such a belief is only obvious to those people who are not incoherent, who are not utterly illogical and irrational.

And so, we have this ruse, where a woman should have the right, because she owns her own body, to kill her unborn child. As if the child was exactly the same life as her own, instead of being separate. So, more incoherence is what we get. What such woman should own, is a responsible body, instead of an irresponsible body. Call these people what they are in actuality. Irresponsible, selfish human beings who have lost the basic value for human life. And for various excuses will not be a responsible human being and use birth control. Before they help to create a new life. For once that life is created, you have no right, or should have no right to kill another human For you own selfish convenience.

Abortions should only be legal in particular circumstances like in the interest health for the mother. And even then, society as a whole should still mourn the death of an innocent human being, and to have that attitude towards human life. And yet today, what legal abortion for birth control has done, for this society, is a loss of value for life.

 

I am 79 and have showed not my oldest child, but my youngest child. She is 30 and very much the intellectual. By her HS graduation, she was fluent in 2 foreign languages. She at one point intended to teach. She was an honors student. She now pulls A grades at the university since she really wants to be an RN.

I first congratulate your well founded and formulated essay. I found it heartwarming to read words by a responsible party.

 

SOOOOOOOO photo shopped....and proves nothing, it could be anyone...

Shame on you for posting of your daughter's photo (IF it is her which is debatable and unprovable)

Uh, is this your favorite photo ???

Is all her worth in her looks?

 

Gee, how enlightening...NO CRIME before abortion became legal !!! WHO KNEW!!!!

Who said it wasn't life???

There ya go again with your self confessed hyperbole....for lack of facts...no child is killed in an abortion.

IF it was separate it could be taken out, set on a shelf and allowed to grow on it's own.....It can't.
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Why do you want such horrible people to have kids? DO YOU HATE KIDS!???

ALL pregnancies affect the health of the mother.

So you are in perpetual mourning??? How silly...people die every second of the day...you must be so sad and tired...

Oh Baloney!

NAME a time that "society" had respect for human life....in wars? How about the Inquisition and a million instances of slaughter throughout the history of the world....

NO, women having abortions are NOT responsible for all the deaths in history and on the ignorant would think so.

 

Ah, us proud fathers! I had children late in life, for I wanted to be able to afford children, and to have grown up enough mentally to devote myself to children. And so my wife used birth control for many years, and yet if she had gotten pregnant before we were ready, an abortion would have still been unthinkable, by both of us. The thought of killing your own unborn child was simply unacceptable to the both of us. She told me once that she could not live with herself and could not understand how any woman could kill their own unborn child. She was an RN and so she saw life and death all of the time. And perhaps this had something to do with her valuing human life as she did. All that I know is that the both of us valued it, especially when it was your own child developing in the womb.

Given modern birth control, the number of abortions done each year should be so few in number. That it isn't is proof that far too many of us live irresponsible lives, with us being the center of the universe, so that it revolves around us, in our selfish behavior and beliefs. Legal abortion creates even more irresponsibility, and helps to harden the human heart in regards to human life. I think we are at the stage where there is far less value for a developing human being, and people kill them everyday with hardly any thought of what they are actually doing. We as a society have become calloused and so many of us do not even have a conscience when it comes to this issue. And many times, after the abortion, there are no steps taken to avoid the next abortion, by using birth control.

A society cannot teach a value and respect for human life when abortion is used for birth control. Unless you believe incoherence does not matter at all. So the teaching in regards to human life is...you cannot kill another human being, unless of course that human being is not yet born. But is that unborn human, less than a life? The fact of the matter is, it is a human life, period. but if it has not yet been born, then you can kill it legally. But is this not the killing of a human life? Incoherent thought says no! But why is it not a human life? Well, enter Kipling's monkeys, who when asked at how they determine truth, they say.. "we all say so, so it must be true."

 

Truly strong attractive men do NOT have to brag and they have the courage to address posts....

 

No one mentioned destroying children...hyperbole is the tool of those with NO facts

Funny, and disgusting, how the Repub "mind" works....force women to give birth and then take away any aid for the BORN children,.....

 

If Democrats could only get it. Sadly they never will. I say that with remorse, not joy. I agree again with your comments.

I recall when my wives told me they were pregnant. We never even hinted abortion might be the fate of our daughters. I wanted a son but settled for step sons. None of them would accept abortions that I am aware of. I am as proud of the step kids as my own two daughters. A step daughter did have an abortion and it was very hard on her. She later married the guy and when he learned she was pregnant, he tossed her out. She was very pretty and smart. She moved on after her divorce and never married again.
Clarification needed. She got tossed out and later post the abortion, he wanted her back and then they married. I am not clear if to this day she actually divorced him. She managed to do very well in Silicon valley and owns her own home.

What happens to the women post the abortion never is discussed by Democrats. They seem to think no woman has morals.

 

I learned my lesson over a year ago that you are not up for debate, you are up for the purposes of trolling. Sorry, I moved on from you.

 

Sorry but you enjoy discussing posters you do not agree with. Myself and Onemind enjoy discussing issues.

 

Too bad all my facts scared you away...I see you haven't been able to address the topic....

You obviously don't want to debate you want someone to rant with.... THAT is trolling.

 

That's fine but the topic is whether abortion is homicide or not....not fantasy love lives....and spewing hate for women.