The Basics, Abortion is a Homicide, Face that Fact

Not a dam thing you can do about it

 

I am past the age of being with a woman who gets pregnant. I wore them out some years ago.

 

Interesting confession as to lust after George Clooney. But he is currently married. In Hollywood, this means you still have hope.

 

Why do women abandon the man who impregnated them? Even if they hang around, it causes them to suffer they got rid of their own child. Sooner or later, often sooner, the woman leaves the man.

 

Remove the word health care and put in a car, a good book, a home ....

You do not fight so you can pay insurance firms, you fight to force the innocent Americans paying your fees for you.

Health care was much cheaper when i was a child. Then there was no Government paying the bills or insurance firms either. Natural forces kept medicine rather inexpensive.

 

Then let it go. You lost this one 40 years ago

 

I kind of lost interest because he has twins and I don’t want to be bothered with kids. His wife is really lucky that she doesn’t have to compete with me

 

Why is it that man who couldn’t get laid always make comments like this

 

If there were no insurance firms how was healthcare paid for when you were a child?

 

God isn't that the truth

 

More directly to your 3 points, as I said, you fight to force others to pay. Not for the right to healthcare. Rights are enumerated. Guess where? We republicans will fight to keep the hands of those not earning out of the pockets of those who earned. But we respect your right to have children that as a parent you are assumed to promise to them you will deliver good healthcare to your children and good schools. And daycare and schools,etc are local issues and you need to handle that where you live.
We encourage you to be a great parent and play a role in the local education and daycare. If you collect enough votes to force all your neighbors into your scheme, then have at it.

 

Mom and dad paid for the services of doctors and hospitals. My parents were not rich and never mentioned high costs. It was much later that costs got so out of hand.

 

I dare you to tell me how many women I have had sex with in my 79 years. You act as if i don't have children. You act as if Abortion is not a very personal issue with me.

i think most males wanting women to abort in truth fear child support payments. I have paid child support to two women.

 

I sympathize with the notion that abortion is most typically 'murder' (in the way that its the senseless, unnecessary killing of a human... in legal, technical terms, murder is innaccurate).
But why is murder illegal? Is it because its 'wrong' or because its socially destabilizing?

Thats rhetorical, btw. Murder is illegal because if it werent, the potential for chaos would be stifling to social productivity. We would be so overwhelmed with protecting ourselves that we wouldnt be able to do anything else. Murder is not illegal just because its immoral.

Neither should abortion be illegal just for being (imo) similarly immoral. Abortion has no destabilizing effect on society. It doesnt threaten the minimum level of order required for a stable economy, security or the daily functions of citizens.

Abortion should be fought or resisted from the voluntary perspective. Incentivize alternatives, social pressuring, awareness campaigns, simple protest... there are plenty of avenues from which to reduce abortion without endangering the precedent of body autonomy and the freedom of medical choice.

 

Well you had to....they left you

 

Yes, well, you have still to explain why slavery is illegal then. Didn't Southern society flourish under slavery with big plantation mansions and all that antebellum culture?

I think it's fair to say that "social stability" doesn't always justify things.
That's an excuse a lot of regimes use.

 

Well, the idea you came up with, is not what I am. You tried to stereotype me.

I fully believe in reproductive freedom, and modern science has given most women a really good way in which to exercise that reproductive freedom. All it takes really, from the woman, is being a responsible human being. We know how to avoid most pregnancies, by the use of several methods. With the easiest way involving hormonal birth control, usually in the form of a pill, and now even longer termed more convenient implants. Oh, better living through chemistry!! And, you never have to kill your own child, or developing child. One would think that a moral, decent, responsible female would care enough about the life she helps to create and carries, that she would insure she would never have to kill it and exercise responsiblity and take her birth control pills or get her implant, or use a diaphram or IUD.

So, when abortion is used for birth control, destroying a developing human being, when effective BC was available and even free, we are enabling the killing of the unborn human being. And creating more irresponsible females, as we lessen the value of human life. It just seems to me that a high civilization, with the right values and principles, would value all human life above all else. For what should we value greater than this? It is the very foundation which the rest of society is built upon and grows upon. It determines more than just whether people abort or not. For society involves so much interrelationships and interdependence, and what is changed here reverbrates throughout society, affecting even areas that look to be unrelated. And the truth is, the willing and calloused acceptance of abortion for birth control, which involves the very value for human life, just affect society in the most negative manner, insuring a good society is never possible. A society with healthy basic values is never achieved, as well as a high culture, never achieved.

 

OK, if you think medicine is "rather inexpensive" I can only conclude you do not live on earth.

 

Didn't you just say (off topic as usual) that you had two wives....do you live in Hollywood?

Want to tell more boring "My Life" stories or discuss the topic?

 

No, you don't, you go on to say that women must use birth control....that is NOT reproductive freedom.

First: NO one is obliged to use drugs or insert fixtures into their bodies.

Second: many women have problems with drugs and putting foreign objects in their bodies . It is NOT as safe and easy as you, SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT HAVE TO DO IT, wants people to believe.

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No "child" is killed in abortions....your admitted use of hyperbole in place of facts hasn't been curbed I see.

Or responsibly abort a fetus she doesn't want. Many decent moral women have done that.

Your insistence that all women must be saints when clearly men aren't is quite ignorant and sexist.

Your denigration of women noted (no surprise there.)

NO "irresponsible females" are being created... what a ridiculous thing to say.......women have had abortion for hundreds and hundreds of years and are no more irresponsible than MEN.

Then we don't have any "high" civilizations because they ALL believe in WAR.

RIGHTS for everyone....the right to their own body, just like you have.

Yes, and taking away rights destroys society

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HOW has abortion negatively affected society?

Taking away rights HAS affected society.

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Ya, ya, ya, women are responsible for the woes of the world.....it's all their fault and men are just innocent little bystanders.

(sarcasm notice because some truly believe that)

 

Slavery was quite "socially destabilizing" to slaves.

Are you advocating that murder be legal??/

 

Oh, it’s the “.I got mine, the hell with you” mentality.

 

So you didn’t have healthcare.

 

Isn’t the Internet great? A man can brag about what a stud he was, even though he wasn’t.
I don’t question whether you have children or not and I am very aware that abortion is a very personal issue with you.

 

Truly strong attractive men do NOT have to brag and they have the courage to address posts....