Antigun groups once again display ignorance

I did. Thus far you have ignored it. Why?
Edit - never mind. Got it.

 

Watch ABC's This Week much?

 

Prosecutors and judges that refuse to investigate/prosecute, allow dropped/reduced charges plea deals and light sentences for firearm offenses.

Primarily, supporting the election bids of prosecutors and judges that will prosecute and sentence to the full extent.

 

Great, I will be interested to read of any added, common sense gun regulations

You appear to be offering numerous opinions on many subjects.... but fail to see what new common sense regulations that you are offering in this point

Very interesting. We might well agree on many points. However, again I fail to see any new gun regulations that you offer

Again... interesting opinions but no new Common sense regulations are offered

Yet another interesting point of discussion that has no clear connection with
new common sense gun regulations that will reduce gun violence

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new common sense gun regulations that will reduce gun violence
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Again no connection to
new common sense gun regulations that will reduce gun violence

Again no connection to
new common sense gun regulations that will reduce gun violence

You have all sorts of legitimate issues, many are common sense
But
Again no connection to
new common sense gun regulations that will reduce gun violence

 

It is impossible to legally avoid the background checks specified by federal law. Thus, there is no loophole.
Further, when a background check does return as a 'stop', there is little to no investigation as to why, and virtually no prosecution of those who commit a federal felong by lying on their 4473. Until these people are prosecuted for these federal felonies, there's no sense in additional laws.

I see you are unaware that the SCotUS ruled this unconstitutional.

This violates the Constitution in exactly the same way requiring a news network to carry insurance for potential libel and slander.

There's no sound argument for such a ban, only fallacious appeals to emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.
For instance: No legally owned assault rifle has ever been used in a violent crime.

The NRA has worked for years to improve the efficacy of the NICS system, a system that exists today because of the NRA.
Good of you to get on aboard with this almost 35 year old effort.

 

Wow. SO many unsupported and unsupportable assumptions here.

 

Again no connection to
new common sense gun regulations that will reduce gun violence



Again no connection to
new common sense gun regulations that will reduce gun violence



You have all sorts of legitimate issues, many are common sense
But
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You must not have read:
" Drop the laws regulating firearms if they are not directly punishing criminal activity. For instance: using a firearm in crime is a proper aggravating factor and should stay. Multiple felonies for owning a machinegun should not. There should be no NFA. Basically if its not "its illegal to brandish a firearm at someone or reckless or negligent discharge or to shoot people without justification or use a gun in a crime" it needs to go." There are also the other numbered points but for number 1 that was my suggestion as to common sense.

Why must they be GUN regulations? I thought you wanted the effects to stop? Crime and the deaths of innocents? These things don't matter to you? Only GUNs? Do you not understand the point I'm making?

For 3: Keeping the felons you apparently can't trust with firearms or voting in prison would be the common sense regulation. No felons outside prison = no convicted felons on the streets committing crimes. Remember: because you apparently acknowledge they are too dangerous to release into society as citizens as you are worried they will commit further crimes such that you bar their franchise and the right to keep and bear arms. The solution then is simple: DON"T LET THEM OUT.
THAT is the common sense measure. What is difficult to grasp about that or unclear?

3a and 3b: a) Addressing the gang problem inside will help to make prisons places where some form of rehabilitation is possible. If they just get further involved with crime by being inside (for their own protection most of them but also to further crimes) they will act worse when they get out and have MORE nefarious connections of like mind. See gangs like the Aryan brotherhood, texas syndicate, Houstone (and related city gangs) etc.
b) for profit prisons have a direct interest in lobbying law makers to increase prison populations. Their interests run the opposite of criminal justice reform and they have a vested interest in REPEAT customers. They also tend to run shoddy operations that further turn the prisoners MORE criminal and not LESS.
No reason to run a prison as a private operation, might as well have mercenaries replace our standing army.

4: News flash poverty has something to do with crime rates. So does the incidence of single parent households. So does the welfare state.

5: More consequences for heinous crimes is a bad thing how? Deterrence is a thing you know.

6: I'm telling you this: The boils you came to see me about are not really what the problem is. Those boils are being caused by this list of things and if you want to solve those underlying issues that are causing your symptoms, you'll need to follow this regimen.
Your response is: gee doc isn't there a pill I could take for the boils?

 

The state cannot have a monopoly on force, so long as the citizenry remains armed.

 

So your contention is that a .50 cal muzzle loader that can kill at 200 yards is the same thing as a pellet gun that MIGHT damage your eye...at 30 yards?

Chalk that one up to another "gun aficionado" who doesn't know guns at all

 

Save us your comic book fantasies please

 

You seem to have missed the whole point of the thread.

 

https://www.airgundepot.com/large-pest-hunting-air-rifles.html

You're obviously unaware that there are air rifles out there intended for large game. Rifles to hunt game up to Coyote, Javelina, Boar or Small Deer Size
To clarify, the 5.56 round the dreaded AR 15 chambers as a default is a VARMINT round made for squirrels and bunnies. BUNNIES.

If it will drop a boar it will drop a man. If it will drop a deer it will drop a man.

https://www.airgundepot.com/benjamin-bulldog-bullpup-deluxe-combo.html

^ Shoots a .357 projectile at 900FPS, 10 times per reservoir.

http://www.beemans.net/Austrian airguns.htm
^ History buffs write up with linkage. The euros went through a whole airgun phase during the musket era.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girandoni_air_rifle
^ This one shoots 20 projectiles per reservoir. It has a magazine. Thomas Jefferson gave them to louis and clarke.

 

The OP is about antigun groups not knowing jack about arms, the law, and numerous other things besides.

Your above post where you think he's talking about a red ryder bb gun makes my point for me.

 

You can hunt deer with air rifles. If it will kill a deer, it will kill a human.

Chalk that up to some liberals who think they know more than they do.

 

Please point where I made that claim. These weapons are sold with suppressors and are exempt from regs FOR suppressors because the weapons themselves are unregulated.

Try to keep up

 

And no suppressor is going to magically silence a ****ing black powder firearm. Just the powder pan explosion would be absurdly loud to say nothing of the smoke and fire that comes out of JUST THE PAN.
That's not even talking about what comes out the barrel (blackpowder = smoke like crazy. plus fire. Suppressor or not).

 

No one said it would.

Does ANY suppressor "magically silence" the firearm?

And very few muzzle loaders use "pans". They have percussion caps that fit on nipples.

I thought you guys were the "gun experts". Wasn't that the point of this thread?

 

And it appears that the "gun lovers" are the ones who don't know what they are talking about.

You still claiming that a pellet gun is deadly or even dangerous at over 30 yards?

 

Plus the poster

No just saying the muzzle loader still suffers from a single shot design but has become far more accurate then it's counters of old! It is fine a weapon of choice for all north American game with the advantage of a early season like the bow hunters..

Although considering the price options, todays advanced black powder muzzle loader and the state of the art semi auto 50cal cartridge are within a few hundred dollars of one another, so if you're asking which I would prefer then I'd go with todays semi auto

Either is hardly a toy!

 

Todays semi auto is actually more of a toy in a military situation.

 

You can hunt deer with a Bowie knife but it's pretty stupid and ultimately pointless

Why do you expose your ignorance on a thread where you are claiming that people wanting sensible guns regs are ignorant?

 

That's a stupid claim

 

No it's not, a semi auto AR-15 weapon looks indistinguishable to a full auto weapon, and will be treated by an enemy as such. Thus the user will be treated as if they are holding a machine gun that is actually a long pistol toy, and will never be a militia capable weapon

 

I don't have to know how to repair a car to know when it's going too fast.

 

The ignorance of your argument is obvious.

An air rifle is easily capable of killing a human being, and far more capable than a 139db "silenced" muzzle loader.

A frickin crossbow could do the task far better.

If you had any idea of what you were talking about, you would realize that.

Keep telling us more just in case anyone can't see how bad your argument is.