A simple, common sense gun control plan

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by qwest, Jan 20, 2018.

  1. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

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    But in most cases I am. Maybe add a waiting period. BUT not much more else that would affect you personally
     
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    I do know that. The problem I have with all of it is that I'm one of those who believes that the government will one day come for my guns. I don't think the Second Amendment is about hunting.
     
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    Well I am a paid troll so I have to check my my boss before I reply. Lol
     
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    Then petition Congress to allow direct access to NICS. You'd get more background checks done that way.
     
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    You did see this from the other thread?
    You know it is so funny that is the exact impression I had been getting. I had just posted this and went to the other thread and found what I think is the most sincere post you have directed at me. Maybe I am wrong. You do have to admit some of your quick two or three word answers sometimes give that impression.

    I have been wrong before...

    ...once.
     
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    How dangerous? Out of all private sales from law abiding citizens who don't want to sell to felins, how many of those sakes are actually to prohibited persons who don't already have a gun or any other way of getting a gun?
     
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    Very Old joke;

    I was wrong once, I thought I was Wrong...
    Sounds better in EspaƱol, lol not as humorous (humerus = funny bone) in English....... lol
     
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    one sale to a stranger without a BC, is one too many
     
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    Then why is it failing in the state of California? Nearly half of all firearms found in the possession of criminals were originally sold in the state of California, subject to all regulations and restrictions currently in place, including universal background checks.
     
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    Pray tell what exactly is the definition of patriotism that is being used in the above?
     
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    Stephen Paddock pass numerous background checks in the purchasing of his firearms. As did most other mass murderers in recent time, with the exception of one who instead murdered the original firearm owner who did pass the background checks, in order to acquire theirs. Exactly how well did such work out?
     
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    It is when simply trying to enforce the paperwork requirement costs well over one trillion dollars a year.
     
  13. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    gun laws in NY are working great.

    almost all illegal guns in NY are from other states.
     
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    Without universal registration of every single firearm in existence, there is no way of enforcing a background check requirement on private sales.
     
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    random stings by ATF upon private sellers who advertise in magazines, internet, etc
     
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    Neither could I but what I don't understand is how a UBC will fix that? As it stands right now I can go outside and sell one of my AK-47s to the local drug dealer if I so desire. Under a federal UBC program I can also walk outside and sell one of my AK-47s to the local drug dealer if I so desire.

    If I'm a POS person who wishes to sell firearms to criminals then what law is exactly going to prevent me from doing that? If you can't pass a UBC now then you are obviously flagged from owning a firearm. If you want one you have to go to the black market.

    All we can do is hope that private gun owners are responsible enough to at least do some sort of screening of a potential customer before selling them the firearm. Or ban the exchange of firearms between private parties which will have zero effect on anything because those criminals who get their guns through private party aren't going to obey a law that says they can't do that anymore...
     
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    Incorrect.

    https://www.atf.gov/docs/163552-nyatfwebsite15pdf/download

    According to the ATF, of all the firearms found in criminal possession in the state of New York, the largest number of firearms were originally sold in the state of New York, in accordance with each and every firearm-related regulation and restriction that is in place.
     
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    LOL!!!!

    at least 2,514 guns came from outside NY

    1,350 from NY
     
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    According to the ATF itself, it has a grand total of five thousand and twenty six individuals on staff. Of that amount, only about two thousand, six hundred and eighteen are actually agents who are cleared to work in the field.

    https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/fact-sheet/fact-sheet-atf-staffing-and-budget

    There is simply not enough manpower to be able to do what is being proposed by yourself. Certainly not in any meaningful way that would discourage the practice. There is not even enough manpower to conduct an annual audit of the nearly one hundred and forty thousand federally licensed firearm dealers operating within the united states.
     
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    Which begs the obvious question. If the firearm-related restrictions in the state of New York are indeed working so well at preventing access to individuals that should not have them, through waiting periods, permits to purchase and own, total registration of all firearms, and universal background checks, how did prohibited individuals manage to acquire so many within the state? Why does no other state even come close to contributing half the number of firearms as the state of New York itself?
     
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    GOP controls Congress and the WH.

    add 5,000 more ATF personnel.
     
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    Is that a better use of their time as opposed to arresting and prosecuting the 10s of thousands of known felons caught each year trying to buy a gun that we currently ignore?

    Should it be a crime to sell a gun in a private sale if the buyer is not a prohibited person?
     
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    So we could then go from a 0.2% conviction rare for felons caught by NICS to a 0.6% conviction rate?
     
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    for many years they were major failures. other things are responsible for your lower rates of gun deaths.
     
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    Thanks for trying to be constructive. We need more people like you on this board and fewer people who continually complain but never have any solutions to offer.
     
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