NAACP blasts Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey over Confederate monument ad

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  1. Bluesguy

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    And the North invaded to keep the Southern states with their slavery in the Union along with the Union states where slavery was leagal and was leagal throughout the war and was leagal after the war. It didn't invade the Confederacy to stop slavery and free the slaves.
     
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    You seriously believe all that gibberish........LOL. Please explain the New York draft riots during which White Northerners lynched these blacks that they were invading the South to rescue, why Lincoln's emancipation proclamation only freed slaves in the 13 Southern states, why Lincoln proposed plans to deport the freed slaves to Africa (our loss that he didn't follow through!), or why General Grant's family owned a slave at the end of the war and General Lee's did not.........
     
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    FYI, a history lesson, your Republican party did not exist in 1776, let alone the ridiculous notion that party membership dictates behavior, since there are plenty of Republicans who are the farthest from being moral.

    Your hatred to Democrats is worse than a heroin addict.
     
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    Lol you guys. The preservation of slavery is the main reason given in every states deceleration to secede. Reality doesn't agree with you. Not even they would agree with you. They were at least open about their racism.
     
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    https://www.civilwar.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states

    Georgia: "The prohibition of slavery in the Territories is the cardinal principle of this organization."

    Mississippi: "Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world..." "It advocates negro equality, socially and politically, and promotes insurrection and incendiarism in our midst."

    South Carolina on the incoming federal government's intent: "On the 4th day of March next, this party will take possession of the Government. It has announced that the South shall be excluded from the common territory, that the judicial tribunals shall be made sectional, and that a war must be waged against slavery until it shall cease throughout the United States."

    Texas: "She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time."
     
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    Ah, so the North that suspended habeas corpus, implemented income taxes, forced people into the army at gunpoint, gave a massive handout to people in the form of the Homestead Act, violated the religious freedoms of native Americans, and used huge amounts of free market violating subsidies and tariffs embodied those “values” in the 19th century?
     
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    That’s not how Southern *Conservatives* see it. There are plenty of Southern Liberals who see the Confederate flag as the racist rag not fit to wipe an ass that it is.
     
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    No, they South attacked sovereign US territory at Fort Sumter.
     
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    And the North invaded to keep those states in the Union WITH their slavery.

    Was slavery legal in the United States for almost 100 years before the war?
    Was slavery legal in the United States during the war?
    Was slavery legal in the United States after the war?
     
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    Nope that was a foreign country engaged in a blockade, an act if war. Then the North invaded.
     
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    Most of the war involved Union troops on Confederate soil. Do you disagree?
     
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    Yes, there are irrational people in every state and country.
     
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    Generally, yes.

    Lincoln did what he had to do to save the nation. Anything less would have resulted in a split.

    Stop whining and grow up.
     
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    Again, even the confederacy disagrees with you.
     
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    The goal at the start of the war was just to keep the union together. Nothing more and nothing less. Slavery was not an issue.
     
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    Why was the union in jeopardy? You guys always seem stop there.
     
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    Who is "you guys"?
     
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    What blockade? Did the US fire on or stop any ships leaving the harbor?
     
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    The Confederates were shittier fighters after they started the war, so no.

    Most of the war with Afghanistan has involved US troops on Afghani soil. Does that mean they didn’t attack us first?

    What about WW2? Hardly any Japanese troops fought on US soil.
     
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    How is it irrational to see the flag of nation tag at existed for the express purpose of white supremacists owning non-whites and forcing them on pain of torture and death to work as slaves as a racist rag?
     
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    Lol everyone can see how you just dodged the question. The "you guys" are those of you who deny that slavery had anything to do with the civil war.
     
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    So liberal progressive big government is okay when a Republican does it. That’s what you are saying?
     
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    And have to find real jobs?

    That’ll never happen
     
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    The war probably would not have happened if slavery did not exist, but eradicating slavery was not Lincoln's goal when the war began. He only wanted to preserve the Union. Later on, he saw the opportunity to end slavery and he thought winning the war would kill two birds with one stone (save the Union, end slavery).
     
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    Some progressive government was needed in our first 100-150 years. We started a country from scratch and certain things had to be done.

    But we're long past that now. Progressive government today doesn't help us. It only tears us away from what made us great. America today doesn't suffer from a lack of government. It suffers from too much government.
     
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    The states seceded because they knew Lincoln had every intention of ending slavery. They themselves said as much. To come here and say Lincoln had other priorities once the war broke out is the biggest no duh in history. No Lincoln didnt go to war to end slavery, he hoped to do it without war. The south forced his hand.
     

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