NAACP blasts Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey over Confederate monument ad

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  1. Bluesguy

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    Border protection is Constitutionally authorize and mandated.

    Again you can't look back through the prism of today and those times. Then your STATE was your first allegiance. The federal government had little to do other than manage its own lands.

    So what about all the people in California advocating succession are they advocating treason? With the precedent of the Civil War if they did should who is President send in federal troops?
     
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    Border patrol is a policing job, not that of federal troops. Show me where federal troops is allowed for such a task. They are not. Secession is a different animal all together.
     
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    The north were not bastions of equality. that's a myth.
     
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    Nope historically and legally false, you need to go study the history, but if they did do you believe Trump should order the arrest of the traitors in California advocating treason?
     
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    Not when we are threatened with an invasion by hostile forces. We are placing them on the border now. It is now, Mr. Lincoln fixed that. So should the people in California advocating secession be arrested for treason? If California takes a vote or the legislators declares they have sucesseed should whoever is Preisdent send in federal troops?
     
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    You are one confused individual. The NG is not federal troop by definition. Note that the NG of Texas cannot just enter CA in peace time without the consent of the governor for any actions. The only hostile forces are the one you've made up in your mind. Again the issue of secession is entirely different.
     
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    No they did so after their occupation of Confederate land was being reinforced and rearmed to blockade against the agreement they not do so, an act of war, was defeated.
     
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    And a common misconception that Lincoln invaded to end slavery, he invaded to force those slave states back into the Union WITH their slavery intact as slavery existed in three UNION states, two even after the war ended.
     
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    They can be and are being federalize for border duty and 1500 people coming to physically violate our border to gain illegal entry is a hostile force. The federal government is constitutionally mandated to protect our borders, period.

    OK then discuss secession. The Confederacy was invaded by the United States to capture and end it's government and seize it's land and property. The States of the Confederacy defended themselves and lost lots of it it's son's. Those States still honor those who answered to call to defend the State. That's why there are monuments and if another state doesn't like it oh well. For those 5 years we were not the United States we were another country and those years just don't disappear.
     
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    He should know. Milton was the greatest economist of all time.
     
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    It must be sweet going through life with a simplistic view of the world.
     
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    They never occupied any Confederate land. Fort Sumter was the territory of the United States transferred legally to the Federal government. South Carolina abrogated any claim to that land when they unilaterally seceded.
     
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    Nope. It is a demonstrable matter of historical reality that southern states committed treason, and were put back in their place.
     
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    There was no such thing as confederate land. It was and remains all United States land.
     
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    Not simplistic, just factually accurate.
     
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    Yes there was go read your history.
     
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    There was not. Southern states did not have a right or authority to secede. They were never a separate country, but an army of rebels.
     
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    Nope history and the United States records otherwise
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    Even though the vast majority of their citizens want to? Hmmm
     
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    They did until Lincoln decided otherwise and Lincoln never considered them traitors. Butbif yiuvate going to consider secrsion treason should Trump send federal marshals to arrest those in California calling for this treason?
     
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    Nope
     
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    Secession isn't treason. It just isn't a legal mechanism. Attacking the federal government, as the southern rebels did, is.
     
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    Therefore lets go arrest Jerry Brown and others of his ilk for treason.
     
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