Australia to save White South African's lifes

Chinese people are able to find jobs here. My neighbour works as a night manager at Maccas( not his franchise, but don't know if it belongs to a relative). I've worked with Chinese nurses too.
I think many of them start their own businesses because of that expedited visa, where they bring in a certain amount of money and run a business, then later get residency.

 

Julius Malema sounds like a nasty bit of work.

 

He is a politician and a racist, not necessarily in that order. I don't doubt he believes every word he says...words that have caused the deaths of many white farmers.

A divisive figure and opportunist.

 

How about doing that for the many white American farmers who have lost their jobs due to Republican politics under Trump? Wouldn't that be cool?

 

SW, Firstly I think the terms 1st world, 2nd world and 3rd world need to be clarified.

Anyway, SA would have always been considered a developing country when you take “all” people into consideration regarding economy and living standards.

Many reports suggest that SA’s economy has improved since the end of apartheid. Would it be an instance of wealth distribution among the whole population now?

 

you know what... I give up, it's like talking to a brick wall and honestly not really interested to sit here and try and convince people of something they are determined to disprove.

Yep T, South Africa have boomed ahead economically, the people are flourishing and all of the reports of any problems whatsoever are fake. There's not really more people dying, they're just sleeping more frequently for a very ****ing long time, the blood gaping wounds and raped men and women are staged. There's no corruption, white people are safely tucked in their beds at night by smiling black people just looking around the house, now go back to your safe and happy life and feel good about exposing fake news.

 

In which case we need to clarify the terminology that we are using.

http://www.freemarketfoundation.com/article-view/is-south-africa-a-third-world-country

South Africa today does not meet the definition of a 1st world nation and it did not do so under apartheid either given that blacks were even more exploited back then than they are today.

Yes, under apartheid there was a small elite sector of the nation, primarily white, that probably were making incomes that matched those of 1st world nations but the vast majority was not making anything close to that kind of per capita income.

If your point is that the aspiration to be a 1st world nation is no longer present in South Africa then it is probably valid. However it was never going to become a 1st world nation under apartheid because it was a single product economy, namely gold, that was being severely hampered by sanctions because of crimes against humanity.

This article by Forbes describes the future for South Africa. In essence what it indicates is that instead of aspiring to an unattainable goal of becoming westernized South Africa has adopted a far more realistic approach to being a LEADER amongst DEVELOPING world nations.

https://www.forbes.com/2010/06/18/f...orlds-nelson-mandela-square.html#11b4e1bc2541

Given the above South Africa does have the POTENTIAL to become more than it is today however it will depend upon better leadership than it currently has in the ANC if that is to happen IMO.

BTW I do appreciate your posts since they prompt me to research history which I is one of my favorite subjects.

 

oh the frustration... explaining to google experts. It's nice you like history D, pity you keep trying to change it to fit your own personal view.

South Africa were unique, it straddled the 1st and the 3rd world. Show me a third world country that had a space program, show me a third world country that had the 10th largest stock exchange. Medical doctors and hospitals even in the townships were first class. Tembisa were the worlds best hospital for head trauma, doctors from overseas would line up to intern in the township simply because there were that many head injuries, you would not get the same experience anywhere else. Not sure where Tembisa Hospital stands today since so much money have been stolen I'd be surprised if they can afford to pay their staff not even talking about equipment and drugs.

I'm not really trying to make a point D, I rarely talk to others about South Africa as I find few people understand it. I've lived it, I know what it was and what it's not anymore.

 

Curious that you would mention stock exchanges his South Africa ranks 17th out of the top 25 in the world right behind Australia at 16th and both are in the G20.

https://www.relbanks.com/stock-exchanges/largest-stock-exchanges

There are lot of 3rd world nations with space programs and South Africa builds their own satellites.

https://www.brandsouthafrica.com/investments-immigration/science-technology/satellite-071011

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_government_space_agencies

Only reason I am trying to be fair here is that I have traveled to other nations and I have seen that people everywhere are the same. America has a habit of proclaiming that it is the "greatest" when it does not always live up to that standard. So being a realist I try to compare apples to apples. America has a shameful racist past that still haunts us to this day and I would like to see that change. When I look at what South Africa did to overcome the racism of it's past it is something to be proud of IMO. That applies to South Africans of all races since they have found a way to get beyond what could have become another Zimbabwe. The Truth and Reconciliation Commission was something that would work wonders in resolving conflicts if it was tried in the Middle East. So I just try to give credit where it is due.

No nation is perfect and there are reasons to believe that America could fall into 3rd world "developing" nation status by 2020. Here are 6 ways that America is regressing.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/six-ways-america-is-like-a-third-world-country-20140305

It gets even worse when you look at our "booming" economy.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...trump-mit-economist-peter-temin-a7694726.html

I am not blind to the faults in both America and South Africa. In the latter I can see that they have a deficit to overcome with limited resources. In America we are growing a deficit (literally) for no better reason than rampant greed and avarice.

 

Yes we do have google and we have an opportunity to look at all sources of information and cross check that info., even your claims. You must acknowledge that you don’t represent South Africa, like our opinions don’t represent Australia. It can all be seen as subjective until there is something definitive.

For the life of me I can’t find anything that broadly suggest South Africa is economically going down the gurgler in the massive way that you are remonstrating! Yes the odd article, but a couple doesn’t provide anything conclusive especially if it doesn’t freakin make sense!
Hell, we’ve been hearing that australia’s Economy is rooted for the last 2 decades!

Of course whites aren’t going to be doing “as” well, the economy consists of 50 million blacks now. Whites still hold a massive majority of the wealth in SA but unfortunately due to black participation in SA economic life now as a consequence of the abolistion of apartheid it is just a given that they will begin to take a share.

Once again black farmers are also copping the same sh!t as white farmers, the difference obviously being that there are more white farmers than black.
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/m.h...ks-on-white-south-african-farmers_a_23388077/

This following comment is interesting:
There's no corruption, white people are safely tucked in their beds at night by “smiling black people” just looking around the house, now go back to your safe and happy life and feel good about exposing fake news.

To be frank this all seems like a one way street with you SW.

 

Just to add as well: South Africa had a 3.5% growth rate in the last quarter of 2017. Apparently a massive drought hasn’t helped their economic cause but this is obviously positive!

 

What is even more interesting is that the forecast is for that improvement to continue.

https://tradingeconomics.com/south-africa/gdp-growth/forecast

Disclaimer being that past performance yadda, yadda, yadda.

 

Vietnamese most similar here.

Other Asiatics just don't seem to have that quality.
Hmong for example (Clint Eastwood movie "Gran Torino")

 

You can't make the blind see, but I will try one last time. Below article - people are protesting because as I have said many times before, money for services, like roads, sewage, water and electricity for new residents, ambulances, hospitals etc etc have been stolen. Corruption on a massive scale. I don't really understand how you find it difficult to believe that when money for these services are stolen, the country falls apart, to me this is an obvious result of government theft.

In Zimbabwe the exact same thing happened, theft of government funds, mass decline of services, violence and protests, the government grabs white land to try and placate violent crowds, except the whites are not the reason for the decline... the corruption and theft is responsible.

Ramaphosa returns to SA early over Mahikeng protests



https://www.enca.com/south-africa/ramphosa-returns-to-sa-early-over-mahikeng-protests

Here's a twiiter feed, South Africans are making fun of Julius Malema, but some have some very serious underlying messages. The younger generation of South Africans grew up without Apartheid, they are smart, outspoken and clearly rather funny and not so easily convinced to blame white South Africans for all this disastrous economic decline.

I believe you are simply arguing the point because I'm white, but there are many black South Africans who feel exactly like I do. I would suggest to you that you are the own who needs to let go of your racist prejudice against white South Africans

#JuliusMalemaChallenge lights up Twitter, people awaiting a signal
http://www.africanews.com/2018/04/16/juliusmalemachallenge-lights-up-twitter-people-awaiting-a-signal/

 

Here... maybe if you hear a black person say what I've been saying the brain block will lift. From 4 min onwards he clearly states the corruption and bad management issues and unfortunately it's country wide, even though he speaks only for his area.

 

Thank you for that link, it was awesome!

What the man at the end was saying (I did not catch his name) makes a great deal of sense and if what he is asking for occurs in a democratic manner and the corruption is replaced with the services that the people need then that will resolve the issue. I gather the situation has escalated to the point where the South African president himself is now involved in the discussions to resolve the problem.

What is notable is the lack of apathy towards the corruption and bad management. In most 3rd world nations the oppressed do not speak out and demand changes. The opposition parties are not afraid to speak out and, as you noted above, even mock those in leadership positions. If anything that speaks of a nation that does not have a 3rd world attitude towards corruption and mismanagement but rather one where it is unacceptable. I might be projecting here but it looks to me as though black South Africans are aspiring to a better life for themselves and their children and are not willing to tolerate greed and corruption that will prevent that from happening.

 

Here is a 10 minute BBC story on the Guptas, it will give you some understand on how race have been and still are used to distract from the real issues, which are corruption and fraud. South Africans are livid and the ANC wants to direct that anger away from their own failure towards white farmers. Already under attack from Malema's onslaught.

 

Holy crap!

That is similar to what happened here in America in 2016 when it came to the Russians using social media to influence the election outcome. The race baiting is glaringly obvious in both instance. What is even worse is that no one here in America is doing anything at all about it.

Good for the South Africans for fighting back. I hope that they succeed and put all of those scumsuckers behind bars where they belong.

 

I'm sorry D... but it's kinda sweet how naive you are

SA businessman Justin van Pletzen spotted & filmed Ajay Gupta in Dubai and was arrested within hours and held I believe for a week. He was released a few days ago, only due to the bad press for Dubai, the South African Government didn't say a single word. Yet they vigorously complain Australia is tarnishing their image by trying to help white farmers.... lol@peoplewhothinkjusticewillbeserved

and not so lol@enablers, people who support the corrupt and racist government of South Africa by yelling "racist" when Australia wants to help those subjected to genocide.


https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/ajay-gupta-himself-laid-complaint-against-sa-businessman-in-dubai-source-20180413

 

Corruption in South Africa is pandemic, it's literally try and spot the person not on the take, all levels of Government down to local government, South African police, the Health services money just disappeared, the country left to fall apart.

Blaming white South Africans for South Africa's problems need to stop, it only helps those who are responsible for theft on an unimaginable scale, so big it has driven a once wealthy country like South Africa to it's knees, it will take a miracle of epic proportions to save South Africa.

South Africa to Investigate 2 A.N.C. Officials in Farm Corruption Case (pfft... 2 officials lol)

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/18/world/africa/south-africa-anc-corruption.html

‘They Eat Money’: How Mandela’s Political Heirs Grow Rich Off Corruption

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/16/...ion-jacob-zuma-african-national-congress.html

(open link incognito or private browsing if you don't have subscription)

 

Pleassse SW...I’m arguing the point based on South Africa’s well known history written in oppressive blatant laws.

If everybody is doing it tough why aren’t you calling for all South Africans, black and white, rich and poor to be considered for asylum in Australia? Why should white South African farmers and not “Black” farmers be considered for asylum when they’re being tortured, murdered and raped as well?

The government is/was doing dodgy stuff, I get it. You’ve also got cretins like Julius Malema who are blatantly racist or at least “angry” and “avengeful”. He has as likely a chance of becoming president as Hanson has of becoming PM it seems.

For ignorant idiots like me, we also are aware of the pure racism and vitriol faced by blacks for decades, if not centuries, so in considering all things, this certainly is a consideration.
I’m about being real SW, if you haven’t figured that out. You can’t tell me a story that does not fit the narrative of history and expect me to accept it.

Look, for the sake of not getting lost in all kinds of political innuendo the main premise of this thread was about Australia accepting white South African farmers. So again, I don’t support it while ever their are other options for farmers both black and white in SA. A life is a life! Asians, Mexicans, Russians, Spanish, PNG’s, Polynesians, Indians, aborigines etc etc etc are all equally important on the human scale. By accepting white farmers in consideration of their circumstances I’m essentially saying I don’t give a flying F..k about anyone else....no thanks!

 

Well why don't you do put your money where your mouth is and do the right thing here in Australia, hand your house over to an Aboriginal family. You can pack a bag T, but don't empty the fridge.

 

Agreed that ALL South Africans should be given equal treatment should they wish to immigrate to Australia or anywhere else for that matter.

Her point about corruption in the ANC government is taken but from my research the apartheid regime was just as corrupt. It was only a wealthy nation back then because of the gold mines and that wealth was extracted at the expense of blacks for the benefit of whites. Nothing is going to change those historical facts and they are NOT an excuse for the current corruption in the ANC government.

What I find refreshing is the attitude of the South African people towards their own government and the fact that they are holding it accountable for delivering what it promised. America would be better off if We the People did the same.

Perhaps the most interesting observation is the concept of "state capture". Looking at America today you can see the same signs in what the Wall Street Casino Bosses have achieved. It is no less nefarious and it has stripmined the wealth of the American middle class. The protests in America are not all that different to the ones in South Africa given that the grievances stem from the same malignancy in government.

 

You know what... a whole house is a lot isn't it... why don't each Australian just pay the Aboriginal people A$100 per month rent, that's only A$1200 per year, that way no one can call you a hypocrite for sitting here criticising South Africans while you're occupying Aboriginal land... compared to white South African farmers... who are giving their homes and their lives, A$1200 per year is nothing.

 

Let me tell you what I see... I look at some of these comments in this thread and I see petty and small. The South Africans have done more than any other nation to rectify the wrongs of the past, what have the Americans done for native Americans? What have the Australians done for Aboriginals? Very little in comparison, many South Africans have sacrificed everything including their lives and yet there are people who are that small minded and petty they are unable to even acknowledge as much. They sit here with their superior attitude and yet they themselves have done nothing to compensate their own native people.