Monuments To The Confederacy

They weren't advocating slavery PERIOD. And to say regardless of the why the war was fought ignores why the war was fought and that is folly. The Confederacy did not invent slavery, did not begin slavery here, slavery was LEGAL in the United States even after the war ended.

 

Who's ignoring why the war was fought? Just because the war was fought to restore the union doesn't absolve the south and the confederacy. The south didnt invent slavery but they did secede to preserve it and it persisted after the war only because the south had to be forced into accepting the thirteenth amendment as the price for rejoining the Union. That's further evidence of their undying bigotry not evidence of some equity of diplorablness between the north and south.

 

Again the war was not fought to end slavery it was fought to keep those slaves states in the Union with their slavery INTACT. And there were THREE SLAVES STATES in the Union. For almost 100 years whenever a slave looked up the flagpole they saw the Stars and Stripes, even AFTER the war ended. Lincoln had to fight to get the Northern states to pass the 13th amendment. The North also profited off slavery you know.

 

I find it mind blowing we have people trying to make excuses for the second worst tragedy in American history?
The first being the elimination of American Indians.

But keep making excuses and keep sounding like ignorant racists.....How sad its 2018 and the filth that passes as opinions!

 

Yea, the United States fought to throw off the shackles of slavery no one claims otherwise. No one is saying the north was all noble and righteous. But Lincoln and the abolitionist did fight for the 13th amendment which was in stark contrast to the confederacy declaring that subservience to white people was the black man's place now and for all of time.

 

Nope, not when they started, only when Lincoln realized the he was losing support. I don't know what you don't understand here, the war was NOT started to end slavery and in fact Lincoln wanted the states back in the Union with their slavery intact. AND BTW there were free blacks and black slave owners in the South.

 

I feel like you're just repeating the same argument over and over again even though I've addressed it over and over again.

Lincoln apposed slavery morally but recognized its authority legally, but in this instance(statues of the confederacy) the reason for the war does not matter. Lincolns reasons for war does not absolve the Souths reason for secession.

And the point of this comment is what?

Your desire to paint equivalency between the north and south, between Lincoln and the confederacy and now even black slave owners with the institution of slavery that existed in the south is transparent, simplistic and devoid of any historical context.

 

Jim Crow was the racist South's way of sorta maintaining slavery and White Supremacy, without literal slavery

 

Out of all the reasons to secede from a country, the South chose "to preserve human slavery".

its just sickening.

 

I have to agree. Of course the pop culture doesn't help that image much. The idea that real racism lives every day in places like Baltimore or Philly, or Chicago goes entirely unnoticed usually. I believe this is partly because it is always so much easier to cast stones at others instead of fixing your own problems.

 

No it is accurate and in context and when you are talking accurate history it doesn't change with repetition. And again yes the reason for the war matters.

 

Lol Do you know what context even means? You asked if I knew that black people also owned slaves. What's the contextual importance of that question? Is it to imply slavery wasnt that bad? That blacks were as equally complicit in slavery as the south? Explain the reasoning behind including that bit of information.

And why does the reason for the war matter? Does it make the south and confederacy any less deplorable?

 

What was with the lynchings of a lot of states not in the South? Was that Jim Crow? There was some pulled neck in states like AZ. Go on about those states.

 

There is history and then there are the accusations and value judgments that get imposed just on the South. So when we speak, it is to be accurate and not impose value judgments.

 

Again, you have to think like a state at the time, not like you are the second coming of the moral police of today.

All we do is give accuracy to the nonsense of the Democrats to clean up their acts for them. If we don't tell the truth, we know the Democrats won't do it. It is a thankless chore but somebody must do it.

 

excuses, pathetic excuses.

human slavery was an abomination.

 

Explain why you support Democrats?

 

If you're asking why someone would support the Democrat party of 2018, for me the answer would be because I support LGBT and minority rights, I support open borders for economic and political refugees, I support Medicare for all, a strong social safety net, free college and public education, tighter regulation of firearms and a reduction in subsidies for big business and the military.

If you're asking why someone would support the Democrat party of the 1860s well wouldn't you be able to answer that better than us? Didn't your kin fight for the confederacy? Chances are they were Democrat.

 

Dealing with some posters posts is like having to pluck grapes, olives, watermelons, etc off the same plant. Rather than pick a point to argue, they want to engage in wholesale lecturing.

Well this is my lecture. Democrats to this day are not friendly to blacks. In their honest moments, they must admit that the reason for problems this moment is how they act. They think murmuring whispered promises to blacks solves their problems. Blacks do not need such promises, as we proved by passing the civil rights laws, blacks need actions. Democrats want credit for the civil rights laws despite them fighting the laws. The standard clap trap is those were conservatives. I call BS that they were conservatives. Conservatism is much about freedom including freedom from government. We do not advocate men be slaves. We do not select a group of republicans and whine that they were not conservatives, we fought for civil rights laws and know better. I brush off that the way the South was with it's Jim Crow was conservative. It was ruthless, not conservative.

 

What you told me is there are tiny fringes that you accept as fact that were only downtrodden due to republicans. That is nonsense if you believe that. You have this wild idea Democrats suck up to homosexuals. I am no Democrats yet in my own state, I voted for homosexuals to have the civil union. It took care of all problems. It is not that I crave them be in a civil union, but that if they must have a pact from one to the other, why not make it the law of CA? But they took a dump on me and my support when they sued in my state.

We republicans favor every person's rights. We are far more supporting of individuals over government than is Democrats. They love government, The more laws on the books, the Democrats lap that up and call for more and more laws. They bind the entire country with their laws. Laws promote government, not human freedom.

If you support the open borders, you do not mind criminals showing up. We have legal means for the decent immigrants to enter and it is not saying to them, disobey laws and welcome to America. Some laws protect and those I do support.
I am using Medicare and I only have it due to old age. In ways it is good. Do you think Medicare or your state medical assistance progams rushes out when they know of your age to inform you of said benefits? To find out said benefits, one must do a large amount of digging. And when you apply for state help, expect the third degree or you won't get it.

Democrats do not give away college or health care. They only hide from the enormous costs and problems with such programs not on their backs, but the backs of innocent others.

Frankly do you believe the founders included free education? When you put government in charge, they show up passing laws and telling you what to teach.

Democrats want to pretend they reformed. We republicans deal with freedom for all, Democrats so called freedom for their small groups of those on the fringe.

 

Can you honestly say with a straight face those union troops invaded VA due to slaves? Even Abe did not perform his illegal act due to slaves.

I hope you understand it is not legal for presidents to invade states?

 

invade?

there was no "invasion".

a nation cannot invade territory that they legally possess.



horribly disgusting and immoral that The South seceded so as to maintain human slavery and white supremacy.

 

The USA does not possess states. Who taught you what you know? I bet it was a Democrat.

 

American troops cannot "invade" the USA.

all American territory is American territory, and Federal troops have the authority under the USC to put down rebellion on American territory.

 

Troops invaded VA. When you get a day off, head to Manassas, VA and see where Abe invaded that state.

Why do you not respect that the voters of said states actually voted to leave the Union? They did not invade Maryland or other states when they departed. I crack up over those wanting states to obey such laws yet when it comes to illegal aliens, those are not expected by Democrats to have to obey laws.