Walls and guns

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Nonnie, Jun 10, 2018.

  1. An Taibhse

    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2016
    Messages:
    7,271
    Likes Received:
    4,850
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You obviously know nothing other than what the BBC (the original Fake new source) wanted the world to know. While we thought, The Paras were deployed for that purpose, they sided with those of privilege, allowing and sometimes assisting (a practice called collusion) in the unlawful persecution of those identifying as ethnic Irish. Arising out of the 69 riots, It was directly responsible for creation of the Provisional IRA split from the aging Official IRA, and the beginning of what you call ‘the Troubles’. I can virtually guarantee neighter you or most Americans understand the history, the antagonists, nor what prompted the late 60’s riots and more specifically those of ‘69 that lit the match to the powder Keg... hint... it wasn’t about Irish unification.
     
    Ddyad likes this.
  2. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2015
    Messages:
    66,736
    Likes Received:
    46,529
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Even a 30% reduction based on current costs does that.

    Far easier to penetrate structures around San Diego reduced apprehensions by 90%+.

    Walls work.
     
    Ddyad likes this.
  3. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2017
    Messages:
    27,954
    Likes Received:
    21,264
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    They have ladders in mexico.

    Wall or not, we still need folks patrolling the border. I think funds would be better spent on resources for them.

    I bet the BP, if given the choice, would prefer the wall money in their budget instead of the wall itself.
     
    Last edited: Jun 12, 2018
  4. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2015
    Messages:
    66,736
    Likes Received:
    46,529
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Except ladders aren't defeating the less capable fencing in San Diego right now. They're not defeating the walls in Israel either.

    Trying to sneak up while carrying a 30 ft extension ladder while carrying bales of drugs is quite obvious.

    Of course, they'd need two 100 lb ladders. One to get up, and one to get down.

    Ever climb or fall 30'? Going to be easy to catch them lying on the other side with broken legs and ankles.

    Yes, you'd still need people to patrol, but you'd need far fewer people to patrol a 30' high barrier of solid concrete than a barrier of atmosphere.

    Oh, and the vast majority of BP wants those walls.

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/2/border-patrol-agents-back-trump-wall-survey-finds/
     
    Last edited: Jun 13, 2018
    Ddyad likes this.
  5. DoctorWho

    DoctorWho Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2016
    Messages:
    15,501
    Likes Received:
    3,740
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Well perhaps I am simple minded, but Aliens are not disguised into the population, either they have legal status or they are illegal, if being illegal is a crime, then deport them, send them to mexico by bus, and let them walk accross the border, and let Mexico prosecute them.

    Stop spending money on them.

    Rather than waste money on a wall, give that crappy land to homeless people free and tax free with free cheap food as long as they keep Mexicans out.
     
    Last edited: Jun 13, 2018
  6. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2013
    Messages:
    25,394
    Likes Received:
    8,172
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Translation: You are correct, Max. Violent crime existed in North Ireland during the Troubles.

    I'm 20% Irish, but leaned Republican and, as an American, was anti-British. :D
     
    Last edited: Jun 13, 2018
  7. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2013
    Messages:
    25,394
    Likes Received:
    8,172
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Again, any non-biased sources, such as Congressional, to the actual costs of illegal immigration?

    Hmmm, I'd like to see data on that too. If a rancher hunts hogs and reduces them by "90%+", does that mean they are eliminated or just moved to an easier area? In this case, outside of town.

    Yes, walls do "work", but there remain several questions: Cost vs. effectiveness compared to other measures and what to do about alternative border crossing points like beaches. Not to mention, of course, that ~40% of illegal immigration is from overstaying visas. http://checkyourfact.com/2018/01/26...-all-illegal-immigrants-overstay-legal-visas/
     
  8. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2015
    Messages:
    66,736
    Likes Received:
    46,529
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Well the main answer to that is most of the cost comes once they cross the border.

    That means a wall eliminates a vast amount of sites required to house them, legal costs, and other questions that come into play only once they cross the border. Apprehending them on our side is an expensive and very time consuming process.

    As far as the federal government getting more info to be able to gather such information, that's exactly what sanctuary policies are designed to prevent.

    I realize that a lot of illegal immigration are visa overstays, but a wall would help stop the bleeding down south, freeing up more assets to focus on the remaining problem.
     
    Ddyad likes this.
  9. DoctorWho

    DoctorWho Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2016
    Messages:
    15,501
    Likes Received:
    3,740
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The highlighted is not factual.
    Truth is, nobody has the stomach for what needs to be done, the instability in Mexico is a clear and present danger to National Security and needs to be addressed.

    If you have undocumented illegal aliens here in the U.S. then deal with them and deport them en masse, otherwise, issue them documentation and then you can track them completely and they can pay taxes.
     
  10. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2015
    Messages:
    66,736
    Likes Received:
    46,529
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It is factual.

    There is an entire industry on the left that teaches them how to fight deportations and tie up the courts, not to mention activist judges that try to protect them.

    Keeping them on the other side of the border is one of the most cost and effort effective things we can do.
     
    Ddyad likes this.
  11. DoctorWho

    DoctorWho Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2016
    Messages:
    15,501
    Likes Received:
    3,740
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You are one of the most spot on posters here.
    I agree with over 98% of what you post which is rare for me.


    But you know that a border is as porous as a pasta strainer, Mexicans want to come here because of the situation in Mexico, and a wall is not going to help very much.

    Tunnels are made into the U.S. and boats, private aircraft and other means smuggle in not only Aliens, illegal Drugs and other contraband.

    As long as there is a profit to be made and people want in badly enough since their Country is that bad, you will never keep them out.

    A change in policy is needed as well as reform of immigration policy and tracking of all immigrants.
     
    Last edited: Jun 13, 2018
  12. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2013
    Messages:
    25,394
    Likes Received:
    8,172
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Which means, if they take a boat, a tunnel or use a ladder those costs still remain. I hate to ask a silly question, but why not just change those costs? Most people know it's not the "legal" costs and detention centers that are the "costs", but the benefits and other costs associated with illegals living and working here...including their exploitation by businesses.


    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...mmigration-policy-impose-300-billion-annuall/
     
    Last edited: Jun 13, 2018
  13. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2015
    Messages:
    66,736
    Likes Received:
    46,529
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Oh I'm not saying that a wall is the entire solution, don't mistake my stance.

    Much more needs to be done since we already have millions of them on our side of the border.

    Yes, other methods can be used to get in, but that's exactly what you want with a wall. You make it harder, more time consuming, and more difficult to get into the country.

    You create bottlenecks and force them to do more than step over a 1' high barrier.

    30' high prison walls don't work 100% of the time, but their effectiveness is without question, regardless of how heavily armed and patrolled a prison is: it still needs walls.

    You only need to look at how effective the walls in Israel have been to see the proof of it.

    Do they still try to tunnel under the wall? Yeah, they do.

    Is the tunneling more effective than not having a wall? Not even close.
     
  14. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2015
    Messages:
    23,895
    Likes Received:
    7,537
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Why does the united states not simply declare war with the nation of Mexico and proceed from there? A great many of its actions would certainly constitute acts of aggression and declarations of war under international law.
     
    DoctorWho likes this.
  15. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2015
    Messages:
    66,736
    Likes Received:
    46,529
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The simple answer is that democrats want the country flooded with as many illegals as they can get in.

    Can't you tell?
     
    Rucker61 likes this.
  16. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2015
    Messages:
    66,736
    Likes Received:
    46,529
    Trophy Points:
    113
    That would just help Democrats justify more illegal aliens.
     
  17. DoctorWho

    DoctorWho Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2016
    Messages:
    15,501
    Likes Received:
    3,740
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Not just corrupt Democrats, Mexicans stand to gain as well.
    If Mexico were normal, Mexicans would not need to come here, life in Mexico would be far simpler and easy and comfortable as a lifetime of siesta & Tacos, like your average house cat's life of Zzzzzzz.....
     
    Last edited: Jun 13, 2018
  18. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2013
    Messages:
    25,394
    Likes Received:
    8,172
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Doubtful.
     
  19. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2015
    Messages:
    66,736
    Likes Received:
    46,529
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Seriously? You don't think Democrats aren't doing everything in their power to normalize illegal immigration?
     
    DoctorWho likes this.
  20. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2015
    Messages:
    47,848
    Likes Received:
    19,639
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I see you have reached the pinnacle of unadulterated nonsense.
     
    DoctorWho likes this.
  21. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2013
    Messages:
    25,394
    Likes Received:
    8,172
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No. Sure, they're bleeding hearts who want to save all the puppies and kittens in the world, but I don't buy the meme that they are importing illegals by the truckload to vote.
     
  22. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2015
    Messages:
    66,736
    Likes Received:
    46,529
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yeah that's why California is giving them drivers licenses and trying to put them on medicare.

    You're kidding yourself if you don't think it's a major goal of democrats.
     
  23. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2013
    Messages:
    25,394
    Likes Received:
    8,172
    Trophy Points:
    113
    1) California isn't the entire Democratic party.
    2) It's ****ing California. They don't call it "LaLa Land" for nothing.
    3) States rights people like myself may disagree with what they do, but support their right to do it. That said, if you want a FEDERAL standard on drivers licenses and want to further empower the FEDERAL government even more than it is, you're entitled to your opinion.
    4) Regardless of what LaLa Land does, it's still a federal crime for illegals to vote in Federal elections. Anyone suborning illegals to vote is as criminal and subject to prosecution as the actual illegal voters.

    What is this goal you believe the "democrats" having "California is giving them drivers licenses and trying to put them on medicare"?
     
    Last edited: Jun 13, 2018
  24. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2015
    Messages:
    66,736
    Likes Received:
    46,529
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You're welcome to your opinion. If you don't see what Democrats are doing there's nothing I can say to change your mind.
     
  25. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2013
    Messages:
    25,394
    Likes Received:
    8,172
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yet you don't explain the end goal of this vast, wide Left Wing conspiracy. Your choice.
     

Share This Page