US sanctions on Riyadh would mean Washington is stabbing itself

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  1. squidward

    squidward Well-Known Member

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    Our dependence on oil matters nothing to the bankers and thier whoe in the US gov.
    They only care about oil sold in dollars and forcing the world to us the SWIFT clearinghouse banking system
     
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    We do not depend on Saudi oil now, but the rest of thevworld does

    The real value of the Saudi regime is as a balance to (against) iran
     
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    The US will not sanction SA because they are entirely complicit in the Saudi drive for hegemony over the Arab world. The American munitions industry is almost entirely dependent on arms sales to countries like SA which is in turn dependent on American arms technology to continue the mass murder and ethnic cleansing of Shia in Yemen The real power in the military/industrial/corporate/intelligence complex of the American oligarchy are huge corporations like Raytheon, Lockheed-Martin, Boeing and Northrup-Grumman whose profits and pay-rolling of politicians is dependent on wealth extracted from the Gulf states in oil revenue and never-ending wars and death to keep riches pouring in.

    What does America make anymore that the world wants but movies and killing weapons? And people wonder where the manufacturing jobs went, lol?????

    The Kingdom has been bankrolling American political projects for economic and political dominance for decades - since the end of the war - and America will never turn on it's biggest banker and funder of it's kleptocratic elites while the profits are still rolling in. Trump will make noises but nothing more. There is a reason he and his nepotistic little schemer/ adviser Kushner went scraping to the house of Saud first foreign trip.

    One guy gets killed in Turkey and the world goes nuts in indignation. Meanwhile the genocide and human destruction of the poorest country in the world, Yemen site of the largest humanitarian crisis in decades, goes on unabated and not worthy of mention in the corporate media as the psychopathic sultans of the wealthiest nation in the world bomb and murder children and schools; bombing the ports so humanitarian aid can't get in enabled by American reconnaissance and tracking. And Trump and his family bow and scrape to the crowned murderers while the media gnashes it's teeth in frenzy over one reporter........

    Pathetic in it's hypocrisy and such a sad statement on the state of American politics.
     
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    It does not matter. The man was killed because he collaborated with the American publishing house.
     
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    Yes. The best option for the United States is to get rid of these problems. But the fact is that the idiots in the US government have already announced sanctions against the SA. Now if there is no sanction, the US will be the losing side. The whole world will take it - the US was afraid of retaliation.
     
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    I do not worry.
     
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    For the Russians, this is good.
     
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    Ah, Yemen can rot. As well as every other Islamic dictatorship.
     
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    And if that is true, which I highly doubt, why is it the US's responsibility because he "collaborated" with an American publishing house?
     
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    Exaactly this would have happened ... And precisely because of this ... behavior already shown in the past and in other cases, the US has lost all credibility as a Morla instance for such things and democracy / rule of law!
     
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    Yes, millions of children can die of famine so that you, the US, can give Yemen to the Saud's to rule under extreme Islam. You must love the Sauds and Dictatorship so much.
     
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    You do not know anything that is going on in Yemen, yet you are supporting a genocide there.
     
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    What does he mean, "As a foreigner"? It makes no sense. Because you are not Saudi Arab?
     
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    Sanctions and Oil.

    The solution to all of the woes is really very simple, although it is also very difficult:
    Remove the demand for oil.
     
  16. Mandelus

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    Again:

    Because the US is the protector of the regime in Saudi Arabia, their noses are so deep in their butt that they are rivals for a lying Pinocchio and because they gave them a wild card for years ....

    But most of all, because the US would have been terribly upset with anybody else ... especially those like Iran or Russia ... with threats and **** storm etc., if they had done the same as what here Saudi Arabia did!
     
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    Oil is an important natural resource

    And most of the world does not have it the way America does

    I know liberals dream of windmill and solar panels but those are not reliable forms of energy yet

    And may not be capable of supplying the worlds needs for several generations
     
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    Iran did murder its own people while obama was president and liberals in America and germany were perfectly happy with that
     
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    That's not a question of liberal or conservative or democrat or republican ... because the US is basically so hypocritical, no matter who is president. The only difference here is that the Democrats here generally do nothing in such matters ... the Republicans, however, only play hostile countries to the moralists when there is bad things happen, but do nothing if friends do it!

    And about Germany, sorry ... Are we Germans the superpower holding the protecting hand over the Saudis, talking about $ 100 billion business, which is more important and calling the Saudis to be a local most important ally and giving them the wild card to do what they want ... or are you American this, eh?

    Of course we also do big business with the Saudis like many others ... but there are also small differences. You sell all the weapons they want to have because profit counts only and give a crap about the bad rest ... we do not.
    The Saudis are literally begging to get the Leopard 2A7 Main Battle Tank as a replacement for the M1A2 from us Germans, with whom they are not so happy ... but they do not get it because we do not give a crap on everything else!
     
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    If germany had $100 bil of arms to sell you would sell it to the first country that paid you for it

    Including Saudi Arabia
     
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    The best thing for Yemen would be to renounce Islam, create a secular state based individual rights, and swear allegiance to America.
     
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    Yemen at the moment is undergoing a genocide by the Saud's supported by the US and the UK. Yemen is one of the poorest countries in the world. They also were one of the very few who had a genuine 'arab spring'. That is what led to them being attacked by the Saudis who want to force anyone who is still alive when they have finished their genocide to abide by Wahhabi. That is what you are supporting. There are some ISIS and even worse there and they fight on the side of the Saud's. You are supporting the opposite of what you say you believe in.
     
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    I just told you that the Saudis really want to have the Leopard 2A7! The Saudis want to have 250 pieces ... Unit price is 8 million USD ... makes a 1.6 billion USD bill alone for them!

    Simple question: did we sell them to Saudi Arabia? No!

    The United States is the largest arms exporter with a 34% share ... followed by Russia with 22% and then Germany and France with 7% each.

    I hardly believe that we can and want to compare with you, eh?
     
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    Well then you should be happy to hear a US president has chosen to keep the US out of this.
     
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    Here’s what I support: The end to every theocracy in the universe. They are a cancer on the body liberty, they are a human atrocity dressed as the sacred and the reverent, they are evil masquerading as the good.

    As a start, denounce, disdain, and damn Saudi Arabia. As for Yemen? Good frigging luck.
     

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