Almost Half of U.S. Births Happen Outside Marriage, Signaling Cultural Shift

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  1. yguy

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    There's no unalienable right to it, endowed by the Creator, that's for sure.
     
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    And you would say the exact same for HETEROsexual sex, right?
     
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    No, but they DO own the only sex act that is used to procreate don't they?
     
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    You seem to be drawing a connection between the numbers of children that are born outside of marriage and single parenthood. Is this correct?
     
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    What if they became pregnant out of wedlock but stayed together for entire kids life?
     
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    I didnt read a gdamn thing outside of the OP and its source and I find it unbiased and true.

    So.. sad. My wife and I are unable to have children due to medications she must take...

    Why do people feel this is ok? You need a family unit.. its just not something a woman just wings it if at all possible. She needs support... not parents or friends but a partner..

    Showing my age finally
     
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    If rape victims were exempt from any requirement to name the dad millions of dishonest liberal women would claim rape ans drive the stats into the stratosphere
     
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    Why can't a family unit exist outside of marriage?
     
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    It can but just for the last few decades it wasnt the norm. Marriage symbolizes commitment. It was something to be respected and envied not so long ago. To know another person so well.. where you would swear in front of friends, family and yes God that until death do you part...and of course the legal benefits.. marriage is woven tightly into our society

    Silly question really.

    I pick on myself about my age but until any of these xyz generations produce a snippet of a culture that was created by the baby boomers my parents? They can all just sod off

    Buncha crybaby entitled whiners the lot of them under 30..or if not that ignorant twits who spam the MM with their opinions and wisdom while they live with mommy and work as a barista
     
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    Sure, but just because its not the norm doesn't mean to say that it can work just as well.

    Marriage may symbolise commitment, but it doesn't seem to reinforce it, given the shocking 50% divorce rate. You mention "God." Are religious by any chance?
     
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    The divorce rate is about 50% but the vast majority of people in the United States only get married once to one person for life. I can illustrate it with an easy example if you wish.
     
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    The science of biology is the same and I don't really consider psychiatry to be science. AND for marriage not to be used to discriminate against others, they would need to extend marriage to any two consenting adults, in contrast to extending it to only gays for their benefit alone.
     
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    Rock on. I agree with that. Marriage is just a contract in my opinion. My point is, we glorified single motherhood and a culture of "my baby's mama" while using public money to subsidize it. We know this is terrible as far as producing a stable environment for children, and stats show it produces terrible adults. So, let's go back to letting folks know they've ****ed up when they make bad decisions.
     
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    Yeah, kind of hard to condemn the man for extramarital affairs before he was in government, when one of the most popular Presidents in history had one of his affairs in the oval office.
     
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    Limiting marriage to heterosexual couples, the only couples who produce children, isn't an attack or discriminating against homosexuals in my opinion. No more discrimination against homosexual couples than

    Sec. 160.204. PRESUMPTION OF PATERNITY. (a) A man is presumed to be the father of a child if:
    (1) he is married to the mother of the child and the child is born during the marriage;..........

    limitation to heterosexual couples
     
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    Seeing that around 10%-25% of mellinials will not marry [source] and that 45%-50% of all new marriages fail (it’s even higher for second + marriages [source] it is stistically impossible for the “vast majority of people” to marry once and for life. You are more likely to end up never married or divorced than married to your first bride/groom for the rest of your life

    Vast majority is typically considered 90%+
    Overwhelming majority is typically considered 75%+

    But feel free to illustrate your statement with an easy example.
     
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    Except marriage has nothing to do with children or the potential of procreation. Other than that your analogy is spot on.

    Presumption of paternity also wouldn’t be relevant to infertile heterosexual couples.
     
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    Alright, go on.
     
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    So you're suggesting that people are shamed for getting pregnant out of wedlock even though there is every chance that the parents will remain together for the entire life of the kid and not use government benefits? Surely you can't be serious.
     
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    That episode is called "Are there more than two sexes?" The answer is NO and I didn't need to watch the episode to know that fact, which not even the most extreme SJW doesn't acknowledge. Surely a better title of it would have been, 'Are there more than two GENDERS?'
     
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    Which generation are you talking about?
     
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    Well I think that is one of the connections don't you?
     
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    Adam, Bill, and Chuck are men who all get married.

    Adam and Bill stay married to their only wives their entire lives.

    Chuck gets divorced, remarries and gets divorced again.

    Thus, in this population of three men you have a total of four marriages and two divorces. A divorce rate of 50%.

    Yet two thirds, 67% of this population remained married to their first (an only) wives their entire lives.

    See?

    And note, I've never seen anything to indicate that "vast majority" is typically considered 90% or that overwhelming majority is considered 75%.
     
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    Go try to divert with someone else.

    Here is what I asked you

    Cause it's not about the children is it. You get better when you care more about the adults desires than the needs of the child, is that it?
    THAT is part of the cultural shift we are talking about. How does that make us a better society?
     
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    Christians have the most Abortions, but yes, if the government choose for you, people would lie if that was the only way to choose for themselves

    just like if you had to be raped to own a gun, everyone that wanted to own a gun would claim to of been raped

    we do not need a nanny government
     
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