Almost Half of U.S. Births Happen Outside Marriage, Signaling Cultural Shift

Amazing isn't it. Through out the entire span of human existence we have gotten it ALL wrong about raising our children and the nuclear family and we just now discover mothers and fathers are not important, just adults and especially that father's are not important in child's life. Two women can substitute for a father somehow.

 

This isn't about Trump. Curb your TDS enthusiasm.

 

nope, what they got wrong was attacking and discriminating against people that were different, we have just gotten better then that, well some of us

why would the right vote for Trump if he is all the things they hate, 3 wives, how many mistresses, ect....

 

this is about posters that support Trump though - lol - Trump supporters suffer from TDS badly.. so sad!

calling people immoral for having sex outside of marriage then voting for a man with 3 wives and many mistresses?

 

Here’s where we disagree then because I believe society changed prior to Trump which is why his past wasn’t disqualifying when he ran for president. His rhetoric adds fuel to a fire that was already burning prior to him. Imo

 

Cause it's not about the children is it. You get better when you care more about the adults desires than the needs of the child, is that it?
THAT is part of the cultural shift we are talking about. How does that make us a better society?

 

calling children bastards cause a parent did not get married before they were born is heartless and does nothing to benefit the child

 

I do not disagree with you, the republicans party had to of changed prior to Trump or they never would of elected him, trump was just who represented the right the most it seems - Trump just shined the light on it for all to see

 

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Cause it's not about the children is it. You get better when you care more about the adults desires than the needs of the child, is that it?
THAT is part of the cultural shift we are talking about. How does that make us a better society?

OK..................why are you telling ME that? Try addressing what I posted.

 

we are talking about what people of the past did, I think it was wrong that they did that, do you agree with me on that one?

I think equal rights has come a long way sense those days

heck, Joseph had to marry a 12 year old pregnant girl named Mary to keep the crazy religious people of the time from harming her

 

In my opinion it was the 1970s era more than the 1960s era (Supposed Free Love Era) that began the breakdown of the family.

For starters:

1) Reliable birth control and legalized elective abortions (not for the health or life of the woman) basically presented a dream situation for American boys and men. No longer did they see an unplanned pregnancy as being their responsibility and that they had an obligation to "step up and be a man" if they got a woman pregnant. With the full support of most of their parents (who naturally did not want their sons forced to marry a girl he didn't want to marry) most saw an unwanted pregnancy as strictly a "womans problem". She could obtain reliable birth control to prevent it. She could have a legal abortion to end it.

Thus American boys (reluctant to call them men) had (and have) the world many dreamed about. The one where they could have unrestricted sex with any consenting woman and feel no responsibility for the results whatsoever.

2) No fault divorce. No fault divorce it was hoped would eliminate nasty divorce battles that damaged everyone involved. Including the spectacle of wives accusing husbands of abuse and husbands retaliating by accusing wives of adultery in order to obtain a divorce.

But the bigger problem of No fault divorce was it basically gave ONE of the partners in a marriage the total power to unilaterally end of marriage without necessarily having a reason to do so. It quickly became cases of "I don't feel happy so why should I stay married". As though anyone is happy at all points in their marriage.

By the way, it is worth noting that one of the creators of reliable oral contraceptives later deeply regretted his contribution to society. He said he had wanted to make "family planning easier and more reliable for husbands and wives". Not to "make it easy for people to have sex with no commitment or even emotional connection". He concluded with the simple "there is too much sex!"

 

Joseph did not plan to marry the pregnant Mary mother of Jesus. He planned to "put her away privily (privately)" so she would NOT be mistreated.

 

if the right doesn't want unplanned pregnancy they should support pro-choice and birth control

back in the old days conservatives tried to make it a crime to even talk about birth control with their obscenity laws, and laws that only married women could take it

I would not want to go back to those times

"Anthony Comstock's "Chastity" Laws"

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/pill-anthony-comstocks-chastity-laws/

"As late as 1960, the American legal system was not hospitable to the idea of birth control. Thirty states had statutes on the books prohibiting or restricting the sale and advertisement of contraception. These laws stretched back almost a century, reflecting an underlying American belief that contraception was lewd, immoral and promoted promiscuity"

 

If a woman wants to have a child out of wedlock, I really don't care. However if she wants any Government assistance, then she'll need to name the dad, if she won't or can't.....no government benefits.

 

and she would be mistreated because she was not married and was pregnant... that is what I said Josephs was preventing

 

Aside from conservatives who are also old school Catholics, I don't know any who oppose birth control

 

so rape victims should be punished for not being able to name their rapist? what if they want a abortion,should the government to force them to have a child and then turn their back on the child after it's born?

I am not sure how we address people that having many children they can not afford (married or not)... but we can't punish the children, that is a tough one

child support laws were made so that people with money supported their children, it was never meant to be used to punish poor people into having less children - a poor person with a couple children is better off living on welfare for 18 years, and many do just that - laws with unintended consequences

 

I would not think there were many either, but lately we have seen more and more after the hobby lobby ordeal - abstinence is pushed by many on the right - even though many think it's not realistic

 

I never said that. If a woman was legitimately raped by someone she doesn't know and contacts the police, of course she should receive assistance. If a woman goes out to a bar, gets drunk and gets knocked up on a 1 night stand she should get nothing as it was her choice. Taxpayers should NEVER be on the hook for peoples bad choices.

 

so if she is so embarrassed, scared, upset, whatever, she doesn't report it to police, but 4-6 weeks later finds out she is pregnant... should she get help for her and her child if she needs it? it's much more complicated then your making it....

should she be able to choose to abort the rapists child if she wants?

"Taxpayers should NEVER be on the hook for peoples bad choices."

they should if they are forcing people to have children they do not want to have

personally I think every rape kit should include emergency contraception, but many on the right are against that too

 

In the U.S. pregnancies from rapes are extremely rare at worst. That said I would never force a woman to carry a child to term that was conceived by rape. Not for moral reasons but for the obvious political reasons. That is being so doctrinaire on the question of abortion greatly hurts support for massive restrictions on the elective abortions that constitute the vast bulk of those performed.

 

well at least you support some abortions, we can at least agree there

there is no need for any more restriction, most abortions happen in the first couple months anyways

as for the moral reasons to prevent it, most abortions are done by Christians... probably cause Christians do not want to be looked down on by other Christians cause they were not married

"Religious school grads likelier to have abortions"

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/31048153/...ligious-school-grads-likelier-have-abortions/

 

Got me lol

Yes but I don’t see the world that black and white prior to trump was the Kardashian’s all the housewife shows jersey shore jerry springer Maury etc etc... then the rise of social media

 

You can prove anything with some statistics.

 

And is this what the site is saying?

Not at all. Not sure how you could think that I was. I didn't even mention "democratic party law making" did I?