How To Finally Resolve the Abortion Debate

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  1. Bowerbird

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    Of course. Because it is legal to do so.
     
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    Laws can be wrong.
     
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    In the early days of mechanical ventilation - in the sixties they had no criteria for brain death (note the second word - it is important). So they left people on mechanical ventilation. The lucky ones had a cardiac arrest - asystole - within three weeks. The unlucky ones "rotted to death on the end of a ventilator". Seen that happen once and NEVER NEVER again please

    Those who think there is nothing worse than death have NEVER worked in a hospital
     
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    What does this have anything to do with what I said?

    Do you think laws are always right?
     
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    I was explaining why we have a law in relation to brain death - or did you not understand the term brain DEATH
     
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    The brain is dead, yes, but the body is not.
     
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    I'm not talking about withdrawing life support, I'm talking about STABBING and KILLING someone who is in a coma!
     
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    Ah! You "get' it!!

    But in the sixties we were not as aware of the interrelationship between brain and body and did not have the legislative right to withdraw life support let alone use the body for donation. Termination of life support simply brings forward the inevitable - and is a mercy for all. What is amazing is how many people do agree to organ donation after hearing that there is no hope
     
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    Again - what has that to do with abortion?
     
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    Its called an analogy. If people in comas can't be killed then why can fetuses?
     
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    Are we "killing them" or just "withdrawing life support?
     
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    Not sure what you are talking about. Anyway, my point is, just because someone's brain is dead, it does not mean his body is dead.
     
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    We are killing them.
     
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    Really? I look on it as withdrawing life support - if you can find an alternative way of supporting that foetus then you are welcome to try transplantation
     
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    Given the weakness of the human nature, no I don't see it working, but that doesn't mean that I don't believe in personal responsibility.

    There's no evidence linking abstinence with the problems in the Catholic church. Although I can see why people make the link.

    No. The man should be castrated or killed.

    I'm guessing that this is in regards to your friend's daughter, but what about the female worker whose boss says "you will be fired unless you have sex with me." Wouldn't the feminist position be that she should simply not give in and stand up to the filthy piece of human waste, sad and sorry excuse for a man that is her boss?

    I'm confused, when were they happening legally in current non-abortion states?
     
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    Calling it "withdrawing life support" is just euphemism for killing them.
     
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    Withdrawing life support by crushing the skull?
     
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    So we can remove the feeding tube from anyone that has one? Some people are completely awake and alert and have them
     
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    No, they obviously have to be on life support!
     
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    You are not listening. Some people who are brain dead only have a feeding tube as life support. They can breath and their heart works fine on its own. It is quite common.
     
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    So...you rebel against killing human cells but advocate killing whole Humans?

    This seems odd.
     
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    You have been reading descriptions of late term abortions again havent you??
     
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    Nope!! If they were capable of independent life then withdrawing support would not be a problem would it?
     
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    Are you against abortion at the point of birth?

    Is "living" the same as "viable" for you?
     
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    I advocate killing whole EVIL humans, yes!
     
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