Why do Republicans lobby on behalf of people who live like royalty?

Sorry Sir. I just found your post. I've tending to my old black lab. She's having seizures lately. Sad.
I don't know why people talk bad about Walmart.
I don't.

 

Charity comes from the heart, not from the government with the threat of jail time.

 

yet we still find these fools who insist on dragging success through the mud, who believe it is just that the wealthy pay for the failure of others.

 

Sadly, those that want to drag you through the mud were voted in by the poor (mostly) and are rich themselves.

 

It believe it was Dayton3 who posted about poor people starting business.
I have nothing important to say for you on that subject but perhaps you can reply to Dayton3's post.

 

I understand that we all do things that might be contrary to our best interest.
But I still don't see your point.

 

Sorry to hear about your lab. I would suggest you take her to a veterinarian.
But I've heard they make a lot of money.

 

I can tell by your post that you have contempt...maybe some hatred... for those with money. They hoard resources unfairly. They are gluttons. While the rest are starving. All good reasons for others who don't have money, to take from those gluttons who do. Sorry, but that's coveting.

 

What a joke. The above was written in advocating a Constitutional Republic that did differently than "devour" the poor, and in a gnat's toenail of human history on this planet, it has indeed done differently.

The results of Jefferson's and others' efforts is that today our poor have 90% of the quality of life innovations that our rich have. Our children have more purchasing power than half the world's countries have GDP. Our middle class is growing rapidly and prosperously, as the existence of whole industries, casual dining, specialty retail, shopping malls, etc., all fueled by middle class dollars, that didn't meaningfully exist when I was a child, prove unequivocally.

Remember folks, all the flagrant, debunked lie narratives on wealth produced by the gov-edu-union-contractor-grantee-trial lawyer-MSM Complex, mainly the rotten, toxic public union PR departments that ironically we taxpayers pay for, aren't about helping the poor at all, but growing and enriching the Complex, their graft-laden government contracts, their bogus grants, their largely unearned outsized pay, their outrageous pensions and benefits, all at the expense of the non government-dependent private sector via ever increasing taxes, redistribution and graft spending. They desperately NEED the poor to REMAIN POOR, which is the source of so many of their policies that degrade personal pride, accountability, encourage and subsidize DISASTROUS choices, and impede the poor becoming middle class.

If there is a group that "devours" the poor in the contemporary U.S., it is the Complex, not the rich.

LW Brookings Institute claims that you only need to do three things to have a strong chance of joining the middle class in TODAY'S U.S., 1. Don't drop out of HS, 2. Don't have children you can't afford, 3. Get a fulltime job and keep working. Note that these are all simple, behavioral choices that have nothing to do with being -stuck- in some static poverty.

https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/...teens-should-follow-to-join-the-middle-class/

Yet the Complex does everything in its power, from glorifying sex to the young, to creating and forwarding MSM celebrity-garbage culture, denigrating conservative religious beliefs in line with the above choices, encouraging massive debt on the altar of the gov-edu hoax, creating safety nets that aren't that but permanent chains of dependency. Then when their toxic, rotten schemes and scams work and hold people down, they have the gall to project it all and blame some faceless "rich" or just you and me non Complex folks. Disgusting.

Another fact that the wealth lie narrators desperately conceal in their bid to convince you of the absurdity that forced fiat transactions that enrich them are superior to voluntary transactions and the innovations they create that enrich us all is that "the poor" and "the rich" are largely the exact same people, just at different points in time. Most Americans begin relatively "poor," I did for example, earning $2.10 an hour working a dangerous job at 13, all through HS and college. Tens of millions of Americans are poor because THEY ARE YOUNG and just starting out. If they make even moderately good choices, they can hardly avoid doing better over time. Do they account this basic fact of human life? Do they exclude young workers from their "poverty" calculations? OF COURSE NOT, that would SINK the LIE NARRATIVE.

Remember, it's all about enriching the Complex at -your- expense where "you" is the taxpayer, not at the expense of "the rich," not at the expense of "the 1%," just the taxpayer. Everything else is either distortions or outright lies.

 

If you don’t believe morality and economics intersect you will not be able to understand my point. In the OP there is consternation as to the support of the rich keeping their wealth by many poor republicans. It’s simple. Because the wealthy own it. It’s theirs to do what they want with. Some people believe this because their morality is objective not subjective.

From your posts it seems you don’t believe in objective morality. Therefore it’s ok to steal from the rich but it’s wrong for the rich to be rich. You are picking and choosing acceptability of behavior based on how much stuff the person has. This is circular reasoning at best and morally reprehensible at worst.

It is simply absurd to complain rich people are bad because they steal but advocate for stealing from them to give to those who have done NOTHING to earn it.

I’m ok with belief in subjective morality I suppose. It’s a natural product of the prevailing worldview. But I expect consistency. If you want my stuff come over and we’ll work it out. But don’t expect me to give it to you after some sob story about rich people stealing wealth, or capitalism is immoral or whatever. That’s just not logical.

 

This thread is a testimony to liberal hypocricy.Last democrats' administration did everything to protect and serve financial criminals and the rich...Obama bailed out banks and Wall Street criminals by using tax payers money.Not a single financial fraudster was jailed.

 

I think it’s worshipping the rich and voting against their own self interest

 

Are you aware that it is the Democrats who have to undo the damage the Republicans did. Look at what Clinton and Obama inherited from their Republican predecessors

 

Why tell lies to support your class warfare agenda? We all know that the higher the tax rate the more gov corruption for the connected exists.

 

How many of your previous Robin Hood schemes have managed to help the poor?

 

I thought we kept hearing from people that Republicans were the party of "idiots and poor people" from the MidWest?

So now they represent millionaires? What are the Hollywood and Tech crowds?

lol, come on man, OP can do better than a thread like this.

Just because people disagree with you, does not make them dumb or whatever personal attack you feel like launching at them. Most are far sturdier in their personal code than those people I see on the fringe Left.

 

Taxes are the forceful taking of the fruits of ones labor. That is a fact. We dont live in a society where shared national, state, and local cost are voluntary.

Yes, its stealing at the very root of the definition.

Do I believe we have to pay for the costs of society and that taxation is necessary, yes and taxation is the best way to do that.

However, the idea that you get to use taxation acting as Robin Hood to impose social justice as you see fit. No. That is plain theft.

 

Got it. You condone theft because you somehow feel entitled to money that isnt yours.

THIS is the primary difference between conservatives and progressives.

 

You got that right. $200 just to tell me nothing he can do.
He a good vet though.

 

One thing we know for sure is that the Sheriff of Nottingham hoarding all the money did not help the poor. It rather starved them, resulting in Robin Hood in the first place.

 

I don't want their money. They can keep it all.
Just don't make any sense for tax payers to keep giving them more.
Especially when obviously going to CEO's bonus.
It's not about stealing their money from them,
it's about not giving them ours when they already have enough.
That's what this thread is really about. Taking from the poor
and giving to the rich.

 

Flat tax.

Regardless of the source of income.

Everybody gets treated the same.

 

Actually, everybody already is treated the same. Mr. Trump gets exactly the same standard deductions that I get. He also pays exactly the same tax rate on the first $100,000 of income (insert any other number) that I or everyone else pays. There is no unfairness at all, unless you start talking about the rich having lobbied for all kinds of loopholes to prevent paying tax, or offshoring capital while labor has to stay put.

 

Is that true for capital gains? Inheritances? Dividend income?

 

One of the most useless views is to say one side does only good, the other only bad. Both make mistakes- but more importantly, the two have different motives. I am most concerned by the motives; I would vote for a democrat IF their head and objectives were right. I did vote for Obama- and found that what he claimed to be, presented so smoothly, turned out to be manure pile. Now you may see it as something positive, something good the republicans are trying to undo. I see it as a disaster that the republicans must undo, and so far are not undoing it enough.

In large part, this is something relative to the vision for the future. I know that you only build a solid house with solid materials- sound people, each and every one, and sound and just relationships that tie them together. The left-moving democrats seems to think that society should be like a parent, and should take over where mom and dad left off, to protect and support everyone- so nobody has to be individually strong and independent. We build the house with mostly mud instead of bricks, expecting to use the bricks we do have to support the rest, so they don't have to become bricks. The strong house stands indefinitely- the mud house collapses easily. If you don't look past the next rainy season, the mud house looks like a cheap way out of responsibility. All you have to do is not look too far ahead. It is the childish view- the only things that are important are what I want right now.

When your objective is a form of socialism, you will think those opposing socialism are evil. I see socialism as evil. I don't care what party label you wear- I do care about the ideology which speaks to building strong and independent people, or weak and dependent ones. That will determine the world your great-grandchildren will have to deal with in the future.