Why do Republicans lobby on behalf of people who live like royalty?

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  1. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I've always wondered how a person becomes wealthy by stealing what a poor person never had.
    Must be some kind of magic trick?
     
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    Of course I have no idea where you live or your budget for pet care, but land grant universities with colleges of veterinary medicine are the ultimate for treating animals veterinarians won’t or can’t help.

    I don’t care for much else in Kansas but KSU vet college has taken a couple dogs from euthanasia cases back to happy productive workers for me. Ha ha. Happy productive workers, now who sounds like the Marxist?! :)

    Anyway, sorry about your dog.
     
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    Since capital gains and dividends count as taxable income, yes.

    For inheritance, the $11.2 million exemption is the same for everyone.

    Of course, if you have inheritance beyond this VERY generous exemption, meaning you are probably in the top .005% of estates, you should count yourself lucky instead of bitc%ing about having to pay up.
     
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    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Rich people are not any different than you or I.
    For someone to be bad, someone else would have to be good.
    Otherwise bad could not exist. There can be no distinction or judgement made
    unless there is something else to compare it to.
    Lets imagine for a moment that you were to have a meeting with Donald Trump.
    You go into his office, walk up to him, pull out your wallet
    and hand him a five dollar bill.
    Sounds absurd right? He might even think your a bit strange.
    Would you do that? Would you walk up to a rich man
    and give him your money?? Because you think it's
    a moral thing to do?
     
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    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lol
    Well if they did have anything,
    I guaranty you would find a way to take it from them.
     
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    What did a rich person do to you in the past to make you believe they are all thieves. ?

    By the way, I'm not rich. Never have been. And unless something truly unexpected happens never will be.
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Gabmux, I think that rich people are indeed different than the average person. Not by birthright or social status or education or things like that- but they are different in how they think. Not what they think, I'm talking about the mental mechanism that directs logic, or HOW they think. This is a skill, the ability to use and control the tool we call a mind precisely and effectively. A surgeon and a taxi driver may both own scalpels- but they are not both surgeons. There is a fundamental difference of process in people who acquire wealth. Wealth is not the money for them- that is a side effect of success, of accomplishment, of becoming the best you can be. There is a drive involved that works for an emotional paycheck, which the only the person can write to themselves. They have vision into the future, they plan carefully and they meticulously follow the plan. That concept works for any man who can bring the right qualities to the table, but most will not. It takes strong self discipline and confidence that you are willing to bet your life on.

    I've seen both sides, I've been poor; but I taught myself how to think differently and learned how to acquire wealth. In part, I educated myself by asking very successful people how they achieved what they did- and because I asked respectfully and politely, most them gave generously of their time and their secrets. The rich don't want the rest of us to be poor- indeed, the better off the average man is, the better off all of us are. But you don't make a man wealthy by giving him money. That may make him briefly "rich", but he will not be capable of keeping it nor building something great with it. Thus, we have lottery winners walking away with hundreds of millions of dollars- and 70% of them go bankrupt. The only money that gets you that emotional reward is money you have earned, not money you have been gifted with.

    Wealth results more from a state of mind and mental skills than anything else. This is why a wealthy person may get wiped out, and five years later they are wealthy again- and why a lottery winner just gets wiped out. Money does not make a winner out of a loser, or anyone else. Being a winner however, brings whatever the person counts as valuable within reach. How we think determines what we are capable of as well as our limitations.
     
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    How- by creating a product which would improve their lives, which they decide to buy?

    If a person doesn't take responsibility for their own feelings and decisions, then they have no control over life- they have abdicated it, given it away.
    Power over your own destiny starts with the ability to say no, to think for yourself, to manage your own life. Nobody has more at stake in that than you do, so why would anybody give that power away? Let others tell them how to think? So they can blame someone else for their situation?
     
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    Lol....I hope you realize that your actually asking an old man to repeat himself.

    "Rich people are not any different than you or I."

    I love chocolate chip cookies. I tell my wife please
    do not make cookies. But she does it anyway.
    And I eat them all in one day. Do I need to eat 30 cookies
    in one day? Is it beneficial to me in any way what so ever?
    Do you get the idea? Rich people are no different than us.
    They just have a different appetite.
     
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    I'll take you up on that.
     
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    Its being asked for starting with the OP. Its being asked for everytime the left wants to raise taxes on the property who make more money than they to "make it fair" when they claim people make more money "than they need" so lets tax it away.
     
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    as we should tax it more, as the wealthy have benefited from the government scheme of shifting wealth from the middle class to the riches 1%, thanks to Reagan.
     
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    That's always baffled me as well. People seem to worship the wealthy while denying themselves.
     
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    And yet there was a huge backlash a few years ago against those low-income folks who paid little or no taxes. We seemed to feel that was some kind of comparable fairness in the fact that so many big corporations and wealthy people could get out of paying taxes.
     
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    Of all taxes collected in this country, the overwhelming majority comes from the top 25% of income earners.

    How exactly are they stealing your money?
     
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    Sure, there's no difference whatsoever between people who undertake massive risk to them and their families, put off forming families and other luxuries even, suffer years of modest living while working long days few are willing to work, create tens of millions of jobs, are responsible for almost all the innovations that make our lives easier, fund numerous charitable initiatives in their locales and nationally... and people who get an easy, do-little gov job like teaching or some other form of easy employment in retail, food service, etc. What a joke. No difference whatsoever. Because THAT, not some easy target small number of profligate, wealthy heirs or $100 cigar smoking hedge fund managers, is the reality of a vast majority of wealth, the wealthy and innovation creation in the United States.

    Almost no mid level employee or bureaucrat remained that way their whole lives and made any meaningful contributions to civilization. Risk-takers do in the droves, some failing many times before they do, some never succeeding. There is in fact a GIGANTIC difference between those people, and claiming there isn't is sheer ignorance. By and large, the garden variety rich who build the 30 million businesses in this country are simply BETTER PEOPLE than the rest of us, at least as regards their productivity and competence as members of a society and community.

    An anecdote. The doctor who lives next door to me gets up at 5 and goes straight to work where he directly employs 10-15 people. Sometimes doesn't get home until 8 or 9 or even later. I get up at 7 and don't even think about work until 9 or 10, rare that I'm not done by 6, and I employ only myself. He -earned- his 3 million dollar house just like I -earned- my $300,000 one. He may be worth 100x what I am. To suggest there's no difference between him and me is absurd. He WORKS HARDER, and that is the FACT of the major difference between the wealthy and the rest of us in the U.S. That scenario repeats tens of millions of times a day, while the rich, wasteful heir is an outlier, and ironically doing EXACTLY what collectivists want, burning money back into consumption. Yet the lie narrators focus only on the few mega CEOs, the few wealthy heirs, and utterly ignore the tens of millions of "average" rich who got that way via hard work. Why is that? Because they are LIARS forwarding a LIE NARRATIVE towards self-enriching high taxes and greater self-enriching redistribution.

    Today's collectivists aren't even sincere. They use the language and social destabilization tools of Marxist socialists, but they don't really want that level of change. They want the exact same capitalist things that many Americans want, they just don't want to WORK for them. They want the two cars, nice house, vacation home, boat, elite college tuition, toys and furnishings that many capitalists want... they just want to steal the means for them from their BETTERS on the backs of lie narratives designed to fool voters into believing that rotten fiat transactions are somehow superior to voluntary market transactions and innovation.
     
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    The left, especially the social justice progressives, like to blur these lines in order to come up with ridiculous retorts like "dont like taxes, hope your house burns down".

    It's a cop out, because they know they cant defend their social justice non-sense and validate their wealth redistribution agenda.
     
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    Post of the year.

    I'm one of those people, out the door to the office at 5 and rarely less than a 12 hour day. I employ 12 people, with my wife and I putting off a family to build the business to the point that we couldn't have kids.

    All the have-nots see is the few imported cars we have and the big house on a corner lot with a swimming pool.

    They see nothing else, and they dont have to in order to invoke their jealousy and entitlement.
     
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    Im starting to believe that there isn't a single progressive liberal that advocates collectivism and wealth redistribution that has even a basic fundamental understanding of economics.

    Nobody is poor because somebody else is rich.

    Our economy is nothing like a game of monopoly with a finite amount of wealth.

    Why is that so difficult to understand?
     
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    That is called the labor market.

    Finding a production worker is easy, and this play scales are surpressed. CEOs have to answer to shareholders, which only care about profit, which is fine and board of directors are willing to pay substantial amounts of money for somebody who increases profit. They have to, or those individuals move to another executive position.

    All of that said... you desire to compare very rare circumstances against wages of the lowest production worker. It's a fallacy to start with, based on platitude talking points.

    The overwhelming majority of the 1% hail from small business and are self made.

    But don't let those facts impede your outrage based on rare circumstances.
     
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    The collectivists, progressives and other lie narrators of the Complex better hope that their lie narratives on wealth never truly sink in, because if millions like you ever made the decision that I have, that they are just going to take it from me anyway so why work so long and hard? this country will be in truly dire straits. Eh, I worked 12-16 hour days for years too, just didn't truly enjoy what it got me, and it cost several millions of dollars in taxes paid so that ignorant or purposeful liars could then attempt to repaint hard work as some kind of deformity and exception, not the rule of wealth accumulation that it in fact is.
     
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    Maybe we do differ in a way...you seem troubled and miserable.
     
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    Progressive liberals who advocate social justice wealth redistribution sure dont seem to make that distinction.

    Remember the 99%? Well im part of the 1%. So.... yes, I'm going to take exception.
     
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    Cop out response because you are unable to debate logic.

    Expected.
     

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