Hitler was OK Until He Globalized

She did not say that unless you have another quote stashed away that was not at the OP link.

 

That nationalism is based upon a Credo, and that Credo is stated in the Declaration of Independence. The Founding Fathers were defending their rights as humans, but only because the King had egregiously violated their rights as Englishmen.

 

She said:

“If Hitler just wanted to make Germany great and have things run well, OK, fine,” Owens continued, while standing next to Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk.

“The problem is he wanted, he had dreams outside of Germany. He wanted to globalize, he wanted everybody to be German, everybody to be speaking German, everybody to look a different way. To me, that’s not nationalism. So in thinking about how it could go bad down the line, I don’t really have an issue with nationalism, I really don’t.”

Which seems damned close to what I said. You tell me how it's all that different

 

I would not put that manure on my vegetable garden!

 

That 50 billion, if they'd all had av. 2 children each, and ongoing, sounds like a bit more than a dent?[/QUOTE]

Assuming billion a misprint, 50 million become100 million and then 200 million, about 400 million, maybe 800 million by now. Let's make it a billion by now.

So we have 8 blllions instead of 7 billions in the world today. A lot of people but I don't think noticeable overall.

 

Tell you how it's different? It's totally opposite!

She was talking about if Hitler had stayed in Germany and just worried about Germany. Well if he had done that, you probably would never have heard of him and 20th Century history would be entirely different. Again, let's give the full quote from your article:

“When we say nationalism, the first thing people think about, at least in America, is Hitler. He was a national socialist.” she said.

“If Hitler just wanted to make Germany great and have things run well, OK, fine,”

Obviously, Hitler had other concerns besides just making things run well. That's why it's a hypothetical.

 

I'll bet you have very correct tomatoes

 

And one of his other concerns was looting and exiling all the Jews in Germany, and she has no problem with that.

 

Dresden, Hamburg, yep.

 

Where do you get your brand of history from?

 

Those were war crimes.

 

The factual and empirical one. Very few Tories were warning against Hitler, and many socialists and leftists throughout Europe and the United States went to Spain to fight against the Franco fascists who were supported by Germany and Italy.

 

One or two posters claim Jesse Owens shook Hitlers hand.

No, Jesse did not have a photo of him shaking Hitlers hand. I have no clue why or who spread this story.

Jesse Owens daughter clears this up.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/80-years-on-jesse-owens-daughter-adamant-he-didnt-shake-hitlers-hand/

 

History books, real ones.

 

Condoning war crimes especially against innocent civilians is contemptible:

“I do not want suggestions as to how we can disable the economy and the machinery of war, what I want are suggestions as to how we can roast the German refugees on their escape from Breslau.”
Winston Churchill*



(*) "Winston Churchill: the Imperial Monster"
https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/01/28/winston-churchill-the-imperial-monster/

 

What books have you studied?

 

Read the Guilty Men for a book written in 1940 about appeasement and the failure to re-arm. Try the speeches of the ILP MPs if you want a more detailed analysis of the time.

 

Let me recommend two excellent history books for you.

 

Jessee Owens daughter wasn't there however eyewitnesses Siegfried Mischner & Eric Brown were.

Additionally: "The Baltimore Sun in August 1936 reported that Hitler sent Owens a commemorative inscribed cabinet photograph of himself." (see below)

"Jesse Owens"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Owens

EXCERPTS "In a 2009 interview, German journalist Siegfried Mischner claimed that Owens carried around a photograph in his wallet of the Führer shaking his hand before the latter left the stadium. Owens, who felt that the newspapers of the day reported "unfairly" on Hitler's attitude towards him, tried to get Mischner and his journalist colleagues to change the accepted version of history in the 1960s. Mischner claimed that Owens showed him the photograph and told him: "That was one of my most beautiful moments." Mischner added: "(the picture) was taken behind the honour stand and so not captured by the world's press. But I saw it, I saw him shaking Hitler's hand!" According to Mischner, "the predominating opinion in post-war Germany was that Hitler had ignored Owens, so we therefore decided not to report on the photo.

However, in 2014, Eric Brown, British fighter pilot and test pilot, the Fleet Air Arm's most decorated living pilot,[37] independently stated in a BBC documentary: "I actually witnessed Hitler shaking hands with Jesse Owens and congratulating him on what he had achieved."[38] Additionally, an article in The Baltimore Sun in August 1936 reported that Hitler sent Owens a commemorative inscribed cabinet photograph of himself.[39

In Germany, Owens had been allowed to travel with and stay in the same hotels as whites, at a time when African Americans in many parts of the United States had to stay in segregated hotels that accommodated only blacks"CONTINUED

 

The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich I have and it is an excellent book, the only book I have read on the American Civil War is Battle Cry of Freedom, thank you for your recommendation I will add it to my (ever growing) reading list. The states succession is interesting me at the moment I must admit.

 

She insists she talked to her father about this. He denied he shook Hitlers hand.

What is the object here anyway? To show Owens liked Hitler or that Hitler liked Owens?

 

There are inaccuracies and I do not necessarily agree with all its conclusions having read a lot of other books about Appeasement but as a quick introduction it is very good. The appeasement movement makes for some fascinating reading, especally the Peace Pledge, how it came about , how it spread, etc.

 

In 1936, Hitler was widely admired globally.

If he shook Owens hand, why are so may reports out that he did not shake Adolphs hand?

Still since Adolph Hitler was admired for a good number of reasons, I personally have no dispute with Owens shaking his hand.

Hitler revved up Germany's economy. Hell, i have praised Hitler for that too. But not for his wars.

As to what Germans got for a leader, they got a great bargain, except for his wars. Had Hitler stuck to Germany and not invaded countries, his name would not be hated today as it presently is.

 

i am well aware of this appeasement. But Hitler had not harmed any country prior to his taking Poland. Some think he harmed other areas yet he popularly brought back Germans into the fold and did not conquer other nations to do it. Even Austria was pleased to be back with Germany.

Hitler screwed up by waging war.

 

By keeping government small, you mean so it can serve the interests of wealth and power at the expense of people - as it does now, correct?