Hitler was OK Until He Globalized

It means that in less than a generation, authoritarian fascists have managed to pretzel logic everything so completely that people are now defending Hitler, that's all I need to hear.
I cannot stomach hearing any more of this daft bitch's explanations.

 

Hitler was not okay before Czechoslovakia, he was a dictator and fascist.

The autobahn, elimination of unemployment, "mediation" between labor and management, etc were not positives. They were aspects of a fascist economy which fused state and corporate power.

It just looks good because postwar all industrialized nations adopted this model.

I will say, however, that before Czechoslovakia and Poland Hitlers regime was disgusting, but not cause for war.

 

That fascist economy was built on creating war armaments. Without war or economic diversification, the economy would have began severely recessing in 1941 and 1942.

 

And there you would be in disagreement with FDR, a large cadre of legal scholars and a substantial body of historians. FDR can seem to have a callous attitude to refugees but he felt that we should not offer a refuge but rather assistance in seeking justice to displaced people. Many international legal scholars of the time felt that Versailles was harsh but still valid as a treaty and should have been enforced. Most historians, led by Shirer, felt and still maintain, that had France resisted Germany's incursion into the Rhineland, as was her right and even duty under Versailles, Naziism and Hitler would have ended in 1936 and WWII would never have been fought

 

I am proud to be in disagreement with FDR, as to the majority of historians - this is a question on which there is considerable disagreement.

What ifs are everywhere in history.

 

Are you being facetious?

 

Y'think?

"Hymie Town", Rev. Jesse Jackson when referring to New York City.

 

There is not much disagreement that WWII could have been averted had the world's developed nations come together and tried to enforce the standards of conduct most all of them, excepting Germany and Russia, were adhering to at the time. Many leaders thought they could watch unaffected as these two adversaries tore each other apart. It was Churchill who recognized this as folly and was often alone in saying so in Parliament during the 1930's

 

By 1941 the Einsatzgruppen were already murdering Jews, Roma and Slavs across Russia, the actual use of the Final Solution was proposed in Jan 1942 a point at which Hitler certainly did not think he was losing the war. Amazingly much of the industrialisation of death was because of the detrimental effect on the troops carrying out the mass killings. Who would of guessed that murdering millions of innocent people by shooting them would affect those poor German soldiers!

 

What gives you that idea?

 

Churchill was not alone in warning Parliament of the dangers of Hitler, but he was a lone voice amongst the Tory party, many socialists were warning about Hitler, some joined the international brigade and fought against the fascists in the Spanish Civil War.

 

Germany had no ability to pay the reparations demanded of it and this led directly to extremism and, eventually, Nazism.

The terms of a peace treaty being so punitive as to plunge the nation into bankruptcy and scapegoating, and mandate an invasion some 15 years later seems to me to be the mark of a bad treaty.

 

History has been polluted by many other "purely evil men". Stalin killed an estimated 20,000,000 people and forced millions into the gulags. Most of those killed were the wealthy peasant farmers known as the Kulaks. Later Whites, anti-communists, Mensheviks, and Christians (especially priests) were included in the definition of Kulak and were included in the Russian holocaust. Many of the leaders of the Russian Revolution and the nationalistic post-revolution USSR were Jews. They launched the communist plan to confiscate the farm land of the middle class causing mass famine, and organized the execution of ethnic Russians. But this fact is taught almost no where in our educational system. What happened to the people in the concentration camps of WWll was horrendous, but so were the gulags and the execution en masse of Kulaks.

It is an extreme form of racism and supremacy to insist that everyone remember your holocaust, but then hide, ignore and omit the history about the tens of millions of others that were killed, enslaved, dispossessed during the rise of communism, and Marxist/Leninism.[/quote]

Plus the numbers killed on the battlefields in two world wars . . . WTF would the global population be now had they all lived to procreate? Now there's a thought to conjure with??

 

Plus the numbers killed on the battlefields in two world wars . . . WTF would the global population be now had they all lived to procreate? Now there's a thought to conjure with??[/QUOTE]

This calculus of horror can become tedious but yes, Stalin killed more than Hitler.

According to UN and US Census bureau data world population was 2.070 billion in 1930 and had INCREASED to 2.557 billion by 1950 All the horror of WWII scarcely put a dent in human fecundity

 

This calculus of horror can become tedious but yes, Stalin killed more than Hitler.

According to UN and US Census bureau data world population was 2.070 billion in 1930 and had INCREASED to 2.557 billion by 1950 All the horror of WWII scarcely put a dent in human fecundity[/QUOTE]

That 50 billion, if they'd all had av. 2 children each, and ongoing, sounds like a bit more than a dent?

 

Jews died for Blacks, specifically, when Hitler launched the Holocaust. Since the Holocaust was directly, I repeat, directly about Hitler punishing the Jews for bringing darkskin Blacks into Germany/cursing the country forevermore.

Blacks did not die for Jews, specifically, during the 60's Civil Rights Movement.

History books.

Including Hitler's autobiography, Mein Kampf, where he lays out his love for Margaret Sanger's idea that Black humans should be euthanized.

 

Interesting.


Sort of like, what S.African Blacks are doing to Whites right now.

 

I'm afraid that you're mistaken about Hitler's alleged hatred of Blacks as Jessee Owens reportedly carried a picture of Hitler shaking his hand(1) after the 1936 Olympics. Also after the Olympics, Jessee Owens was welcomed throughout Germany's finest hotels, restaurants etc. but upon his return to America, he was made to use back doors and freight elevators for any public appearances

There is perhaps more disinformation about WW2 era Germany than maybe any other topic related to history. Members of all races served along with Germany's military including 150,000 Jews some of whom rose to the highest ranks and received Germany's highest military honors with the full knowledge & approval of the German High Command(2)

Additionally, members of all ethnic groups served in Germany's WW2 military including, Slavs, Asians, Arabs etc.
It is estimated that about 2 million non Germans served in Hitler's military and served honorably until the very end of the war and after all hope of a German victory was lost.


(1) "Jesse Owens"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Owens

EXCERPTS "In a 2009 interview, German journalist Siegfried Mischner claimed that Owens carried around a photograph in his wallet of the Führer shaking his hand before the latter left the stadium.

However, in 2014, Eric Brown, British fighter pilot and test pilot, the Fleet Air Arm's most decorated living pilot,[37] independently stated in a BBC documentary: "I actually witnessed Hitler shaking hands with Jesse Owens and congratulating him on what he had achieved."[38] Additionally, an article in The Baltimore Sun in August 1936 reported that Hitler sent Owens a commemorative inscribed cabinet photograph of himself.[39

In Germany, Owens had been allowed to travel with and stay in the same hotels as whites, at a time when African Americans in many parts of the United States had to stay in segregated hotels that accommodated only blacks"CONTINUED



(2) "AS MANY AS 150000 JEWS SERVED IN HITLERS MILITARY"
https://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/as-many-as-150000-jews-served-in-hitlers-military/

EXCERPT "As many as 150000 Jews served in Hitlers military, some with the Nazi leader's explicit consent, according to a U.S. historian who has interviewed hundreds of former soldiers.

Bryan Mark Rigg, history professor at the American Military University in Virginia, told Reuters on Thursday that the issue of soldiers of partial Jewish descent was long a somewhat taboo subject, overlooked by most academics as it threw up thorny questions."CONTINUED


(3) "Adolf Hitler’s Armed Forces: A Triumph for Diversity?"
https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/1/3/3102

EXCERPTS " I ask those historians who still believe that Hitler and the Nazis were “white supremacists”: how do you account for the incredible degree of non-German and ethnic minority (i.e., 150,000 Jews and Jewish Mischlinge) collaboration during World War II? Again, some two million non-Germans helped the Nazis.

Hitler continued to allow thousands of Jewish men to serve, and many did so with incredible tenacity and valor.

The Nazis never racially segregated their troops. Blacks, Slavs, Asians, and Arabs fought shoulder-to-shoulder with Germans.
At least two million non-German foreigners and ethnic minorities served in Hitler’s armed forces at one point or another. Without foreign and non-German help, the Germans never would have had their Western defenses prepared in time for the Allied invasion."CONTINUED

 

The OP is one of the most poorly conceived prompts in the history of this Board.

And the product that "Jews died for Blacks" is insane.

 

What history books?

Mein Kampf , AFAIK, does say that Hitler approved of eugenics. If it says anything about Hitler's being upset because the Jews brought "darkskin blacks" into the country I must have missed it and would appreciate your citing that passage for us. (It's a long book and you seem more familiar than I.) The same goes for whatever other of Hitler's writings or speeches you found that idea in, thank you very much.

 

As much as a loutish pejorative can be "hymie" is almost good-natured

Afro Americans call each other ******s quite often (though they're starting not to). I've never yet heard one use the term "****"

 

The first thing I think about at hearing the word nationalism is breaking the hell away from England and defeating England at war. George Washington, Boston Tea Party, Valley Forge, Battles of Lexington, Concord, Trenton and Yorktown, The World Turned Upside Down -- those kinds of things. Winning.

 

. . . the suppression of the Confederacy, WWI, WWII: winning.

 

Burning Tokyo, nuking Nagasaki and Hiroshima: WINNING for the good of the whole world.