Waffen SS Vets March Openly In Latvia

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  1. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Soviets could not be invaders since it was a political internationalist system that didn't believe in borders, while the Germans as nationalists did believe in them. What you're against was the communist internationalist political system in preference to the political system of Nazi Germany. Okay so you're a Nazi, admit it.
     
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    You werent drafted into the SS. You had to want to be in it. Its not at all like some guy sent off to war. These guys signed up knowing full well the evil ideology they were fighting for.
     
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    I find it very disingenuous that you would make that claim.
    There's a difference between fighting for Nazi Germany to defeat your country's enemy, compared to fighting for Nazi ideology.

    So guilt by association?

    You're both using flawed logic, trying to make a strained connection between Lithuanians who signed up to fight in the Waffen SS and evil.

    The U.S. and U.K. initially wanted Germany to fight the Soviets, so what does that make them?
     
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    In this case, these veterans wearing their SS uniforms does not necessarily mean they are proud of fighting in the SS.
    They are proud of their fight in the war, which they felt was for their country.
     
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    In 1943, levies in the SS were drafted.

    Waffen SS were found guilty of war crimes, and the Nuremberg trials found the Waffen SS and the SS to be criminal organization.

    Lithuanians signed up voluntarily to fight in the Waffen SS, which was an evil organization.
     
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    "Bullshit" is apparently what's been poured into your head for too long

    Yes, there were Jews in the SS(1) and they were Jewish as defined by Germany's race laws that were established by the German Zionist Federation which worked closely with Germany's National Socialist party.
    Yes, Germany's Zionists wanted to preserve Jewish "racial purity" too for their colony in Palestine:

    "Our acknowledgment of Jewish nationality provides for a clear and sincere relationship to the German people and its national and racial realities. Precisely because we do not wish to falsify these fundamentals, because we, too, are against mixed marriage and are for maintaining the purity of the Jewish group and reject any trespasses in the cultural domain, we -- having been brought up in the German language and German culture -- can show an interest in the works and values of German culture with admiration and internal sympathy ..."(2)

    I can support my assertions, why can't you?


    (1)Lives of Hitler's Jewish Soldiers
    https://kansaspress.ku.edu/978-0-7006-1638-1.html

    EXCERPT "They were foot soldiers and officers. They served in the regular army and the Waffen-SS. And, remarkably, they were also Jewish, at least as defined by Hitler's infamous race laws."CONTINUED


    (2) Memo of June 21, 1933, in: L. Dawidowicz, A Holocaust Reader (New York: Behrman, 1976), pp. 150-155, and (in part) in: Francis R. Nicosia, The Third Reich and the Palestine Question (Austin: Univ. of Texas, 1985), p. 42.; On Zionism in Germany before Hitler's assumption of power, see: Donald L. Niewyk, The Jews in Weimar Germany (Baton Rouge: 1980), pp. 94-95, 126-131, 140-143.; F. Nicosia, Third Reich (Austin: 1985), pp. 1-15.
     
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    The reason the media didn't cover it was because it was a non-story.

    There's nothing unusual or all that remarkable about it. These are just veterans, who fought under the Waffen SS during the war against Soviet Russia, nothing more.
    Obviously they want their role in the war to be remembered. Like the veterans of any other big war.
     
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    The native Americans were protecting their lands from an invasion, nothing more.
     
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    You keep referring to the Nuremberg Trials as something other than a widely condemned, foreign & politically motivated lynching party that in no way resembled a real, American or Western style Trial with an independent Judge, jury, defense & prosecutor.
    Meanwhile, the Allies were committing many of the same abuses of which the Germans were accused while the "trial" proceeded such as concentration camp torture ( Solomon Morel etc), forced slave labor in France etc, mass displacement of Eastern Germans & mass executions.

    There were about 12 "trials" that went on for years in which perjured testimony was considered "documented fact", confessions were obtained by torture, forged documents (i.e. the Hossbach protocol) were used to determine "facts, motives & statistics"
    and only the prosecution could determine what was admissible evidence.

    There were other deplorable legal abuses to extensive to list here but the Nuremberg "trial" was more of the Soviet variety than what we think of a legitimate American trial.

    After its true nature had been exposed, all ethical Americans strongly condemned the farce that violated legitimate legal tradition back to Roman times:

    "... a fantastic desecration of the ideals of Western Civilisation, and appalling miscarriage of justice... a misuse of evidence for vicious ends, all of which will someday be exposed as a shocking travesty of high legal and moral principles."
    - Professor Henry M. Adams, Ph.D

    “About this whole judgment there is the spirit of vengeance, and vengeance is seldom justice. The hanging of the 11 men convicted will be a blot on the American record which we shall long regret.”
    - US Senator Robert Taft, 1946

    "Chief US prosecutor Jackson is away conducting his high-grade lynching party in Nuremberg......I hate to see the pretence that he is running a court and proceeding according to common law. This is a little too sanctimonious a fraud to meet my old-fashioned ideas."
    - US Supreme Court Chief Justice Harlan Fiske Stone


    "The Nuremberg Trials Were A “High-Grade Lynching Party” – Harlan Fiske Stone, Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court"
    http://www.renegadetribune.com/nure...-fiske-stone-chief-justice-u-s-supreme-court/


    EXCERPTS "After Germany’s defeat in WWII, the Nuremberg and later trials were organized primarily for political purposes rather than to dispense impartial justice.
    At bottom, if one keeps in mind the crimes perpetrated against the German people by means of an air war aiming to exterminate civilians, if one recalls the deportations (called displacements) of the German minorities from Central and Eastern Europe, if one adds to that both the serial rapes of German women and girls , if one bears in mind the looting, the official grabbing by the Allies of Germany’s silver, gold, platinum, jewelry, securities, properties, banks, museums, scientific and industrial patents and if, to cap it all, one notes that the Nuremberg trials of German leaders earned the description, by some, of “a farce” or, in the words of Harlan Fiske Stone, Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court, a “high-grade lynching party,” one can only find it deplorable that, for 66 years, our schools, universities and media have ceaselessly been telling us that, during the last world war, the victors represented Good and the vanquished, Evil."CONTINUED
     
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    Many American indigenous Indian tribes had black slaves and since they are sovereign nations, they continued to have slaves and participated in the slave trade into the 1890's.

    But under cultural-marxism (political correctness) they are given a complete pass.
     
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    Actually they didn't know it was evil since they believed their aggressive actions towards others would preserve their presumably 'superior' culture and race from decimation. It's paganism in that it stems from an excessive pride in one's own cultural and racial standards. This is why nationalism is anti Christian and a sin since humility is a perquisite. That the nationalists identify themselves as being Christians, is really self deception.

    Patriotism on the other hand is a love of country and home rather than pride towards ones country and home, so in that sense it's a virtue. Everyone has a right to preserve their cultural uniqueness and the gifts they were endowed with and not have others impose their own on them. How boring the world would be otherwise.
     
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    With the SS one must first make a distinction, because there were the ...

    - Waffen-SS = military part fighting in war
    - Allgemeine SS = those who guard the concentration camps ...
    - Police Units = militarized Police Units, often used for mass murdering in USSR
    - Sicherheitsdienst (SD) - some srot of Secret Service ... allways in competition to the real Secret Service under control of Admiral Canaris
    - "Geheime Staats Polizei ... better known with shortcut of GESTAPO = Something like a criminal and rudeless version of the FBI or any other Federal Police on top,

    All of them did coimes ... evil crimes! And between Allgemeine SS and Waffen-SS was often also a link given, because for example Waffen SS members who failed in war, were sent on probe as concentration guard to show no mercy etc. Also ... all those behind the front fighters were always threaten to be sent to Waffen SS unit as penalty if they did seriously wrong.

    True ist too ... that So called "Arier" and "Germans" in Eastern Europe were drafted into the Waffen SS units, because there was always a dispute between Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS to get personal. So a law was done that majority of these "other Germans" can be draftet to Waffen SS.
     
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    Very much like Palestine's native residents have been doing for about a century.
     
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    The SS, or Schutzstaffel, is the Protective Guard of the National-Socialist [German Worders'] Party (NSDAP). Officially an independent Gliederung (Branch) of the Party, led by Heinrich Himmler, it actually has a status and importance far exceeding those of the other branches and even those of the Party itself. From its original function of guarding the person of Party leaders and speakers, the SS developed even before the war, into a far-flung organization to protect the entire Nazi movement against all internal enemies. More recently, it has extended its influence and power into every conceivable aspect of German national life and has finally acquired a large measure of control over the Army itself. It is more than a state within a state; it is superior to both the Party and the government.

    The rise of the SS has been gradual but unceasing. Because of its origin and its own experience as an underground organization, it has always understood how to combat systematically and unrelentingly any subversive activities in the Reich and in all occupied areas. It was by extension of its responsibility for internal political security that the SS first acquired control of the Secret State Police and later (in 1936) of the entire police forces of Germany. Quite naturally therefore, it was given the policing powers in most of the countries occupied by Germany during the war. It was also logical that the SS, as the elite corps of the Party, should take part in the march into Austria and Czechoslovakia along with the troops of the Army, and that it should furnish small contingents of trained men to fight in the Polish campaign in 1939. This led to the building up of the Waffen-SS, at first consisting of the equivalent of two or three divisions and finally growing to a substantial and favored branch of the armed forces of the nation. In 1943 the SS gained control of the powerful Ministry of the Interior, in which it had already constituted the most important group in the form of the police. During 1943 and 1944 the SS gained more and more influence in the Army itself, taking over successively control of political indoctrination, of the intelligence services, and of the whole replacement, training, and material procurement system.

    Apart from these obvious acquisitions of power and authority, the SS has steadily extended its influence into many branches of German life which would seem, on the surface, to have little or nothing to do with its original or derived mission. High-ranking officers of the now occupy controlling positions in most of the central departments of the government, in regional and local administration, in heavy industry, finance, and commerce, and in cultural and charitable activities. Directly or indirectly the SS controls the training of youth in the Hitler Youth organization, the storm troops (SA), and most of the other Party organizations and activities.

    The character and purposes of the SS would not be clear without reference to its mystical worship of the German "race". This is exemplified not only by the physical requirements for becoming an SS man, but also by a vast program of procreation propaganda, resettlement of populations, eradication of elements considered racially undesirable, genealogical research, and welfare. Typical of the SS is its insistence that the abbreviation of its title always be printed or typed as the runic symbol of victory and arbitrariness:



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    Continue -> http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/Germany/HB/HB-3.html
     
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    Oh? You mean by the Nuremburg laws? You mean those with a drop of jewish blood like me, a second order mischling? Those who were second order mischling in the german army were not jews.

    "at least as defined by hitler's infamous race laws". Oh look a qualification that you totally ignore. typical of nazi defenders.

    But by all means keep pushing this bullshit spin. It takes a nazi apologist to spout such ridiculous nonsense.

    And for sure the zionists vision of a jewish state was exactly the same thing as Addie and the gang wanting a racial pure "aryan" state in the minds of nazi lovers.
     
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    Statues are the only way to remember history?
     
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    MS-13 grew out of the paramilitary death squads Reagan supported in Central America. The Republicans own them.
     
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    Mexifonia & Hollyweird liberals gave us Reagan ...
     
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    Interesting. So the Republicans who worship Reagan (like for instance Donald Trump) are actually liberals?
     
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    Those people, Questerr, are not known for psychological or logical stability.
     
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    I would love to see a link that backs up this claim.
     
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    Liberal refugee policies allowed MS-13 into the country.
     

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