Iran threatens to Clost Straits of Hormuz

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  1. mdrobster

    mdrobster Well-Known Member

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    SATINT???

    I presume you are referring to satellite intelligence and its associated communications configuration.

    While the Iranians do have military capability, they would not fare well against the USA, since our situation awareness capability, (being able to know where your friendlies are and where the enemy is), the USA has the better capability by far, and something that is vital in planning.

    That said, while Iran may be able to put up a blockade on the straits, they can always just pipeline the resources through other nations. They did it before, and are probably already doing it now.
     
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    The strait wouldn't be closed for an appreciable amount of time as we would destroy the Iranian navy blocking it.

    The OP makes the assumption we wouldn't.
     
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    Yeah they're going to close it down with their flagship.

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    If the US does not have support abroad, then why does the EU still have their own sanctions on Iran? The same exact sanctions that the US has, with one exception, Foreign firms trading with Iran. Just because the UN pulled their sanctions, that does not mean there is no support for them.
     
  5. TomFitz

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    Yes, I do.

    We didn't do it in 1973 or 1979.

    And, even if it's only closed for a few days,; the effect on short term prices, and political and economic instability will be enourmous.
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    We've seen this act before.

    And Trump is not helping things with his belligerence towards Iran. He is also pissing away his influence in the region, as some of our allies have already told the US they won't comply with his threats.
     
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    I was talking about the recent invasion of Iraq, and yes they have certainly invaded Yeman...Iran has been funding, yet another terrorist group, Houthis, in Yeman.

    Hezbollah is a terrorist organization that's engaged in sucide bombings, kidnapping, assassinations, and murder. Iran has also funded and supported Hamas, who, along with Iran, believes in the total desttruction of Israel, and routinely engages in terror.
     
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    Which speaks to the fact that it will be over quickly, but not necessarily without damage. For instance, do you think an Iranian first strike would be completely defended? I don't, but then again, I ain't no military expert.
     
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    Uh huh.

    Obama had it all figured out with Iran, which is why they kept attacking our ships under his "leadership".

    Iran harassed and humiliated the US Navy under Obama — here's why it stopped under Trump

    https://www.businessinsider.com/iran-humiliated-us-navy-obama-stopped-under-trump-2018-3
     
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    Do I think Iran will launch a massive first strike? No. Do we have advanced anti-missile missiles and perimeter defenses yes.
     
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    Who said anything about destroying their entire infrastructure? And if the Irianian people could eve get out from under the Ayatollah's they would do quit well.
     
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    Nothing unifies Iranians more than a threat by the US to their sovereignty

    And that's the problem. Trump is acting unilaterally, and the EU, Russia and Asia aren't on board except for US threats towards them as well.
     
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    Yea and they did it like every 3 months every year back in the 80's. Didn't go well for them back then either. They know full well the US Navy alone can deliver a blow they can't recover from.
     
  13. truth and justice

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    Hostage crisis : 40 years ago!

    Athens hijack - 35 years ago! One person killed

    Paris : 35 years ago!

    Straits - Not terrorism

    Vienna - 25 years ago and not terrorism

    Truck bombing - alleged! and not terrorism

    Saudi ambassador - by an American citizen!
     
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    Flying armed drones over villages 24/7 as is what happens in northern Pakistan and Afghanistan is terrorism. When was declared against all those countries that the US have bombed or invaded since 1945
     
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    2012 attack - "Suspected" and one person wounded.
    2015 : No one died and no evidence other than from the minority Sunni government
    2018 - alleged plot
    Kenya, Argentina, Thailand, France, and Denmark. - No details
    Al-Quida is Sunni!
    Palestine : The US financially supports and provides arms to Israel

    Oh and Isreal is 0.0000043% of the world's land mass so perhaps explain how Iran can be the worldwide sponsored terrorist nation if the attacks they sponsor are on a tiny percentage of the world. The US provides much more sponsorship to Israel in the same conflict
     
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    1) I don't disagree that Obama's drone policy was horrible, deadly and likely a war crime
    2) Often we went by what is called a "declaration of war" which has the same affect, or were acting under UN orders...like in Korea, Golf War, Bosnia etc.
     
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    Didnt read this whole thread but too many people are making light of this. Yes, the US would crush the Iranians. No, it wont be costless and it wont be easy. Iran has hundreds of mobile missile platforms that are capable of firing anti ship missiles. They likely wouldnt have a prayer at hitting a capital ship like a carrier, but they could easily overwhelm the defenses of a smaller ship like destroyer or cruiser.
     
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    Wow...the US Judge had an agenda? wow...

    You're own link highlights the 9/11 Commision found Iran was involved as well...."In the 2004 9/11 Commission Report, investigators strongly believed that al-Qaeda terrorists responsible for killing 3,000 innocent Americans on Sept. 11, 2001 traveled through Iran while on their jihad. "We believe this topic requires further investigation by the U.S. government,” the commission stated."

    With that said, I'm not at all surprised to hear that an Iranian that is "“a former diplomat, member of a politically influential Iranian family, and current international affairs assistant in the Iranian judiciary,” - disagrees.
     
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    Not unchallenged though. We sank an Iranian Frigate when they took a shot at us. Not to mention a some Naval and Intel facilities.
     
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    There is no "recent invastion of Iraq".

    Why bother? Thanks to American bungling during the Bush years, the regime in Baghdad is on far better terms with Tehran than Sadaam Hussein ever was.

    Actually, the guy you were responding to was a lot more accurate than you are. You need to turn of the AM radio,.

    Virtually every country in the Middle East has aided or is aiding Hezbullah.

    And contrary to your made up claim, Iran has not invaded Yemen. Indeed the humanitarian crisis in Yemen is largely put down to the Saudi invasion, which is real. Note that Congress took action, which was Trump's other veto.
     
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    Iran doesn't want an international incident that could further isolate them and put more pressure on Russia and China to stop doing business with them. Any attack they make will come under scrutiny and if they make the US look good and just, by retaliating against them to keep the straits open, they lose. They really can't afford to back up their belligerence with military force.

    The last time the Iranian fired silkworms at us, they all missed. Their missiles are outdated and so are their targeting systems. While we continually upgrade to the latest and greatest technology, they lag 20-30 behind us.
     
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    I suppose that you can be forgiven for still going on about events for 40 years ago. After all, every Iranian knows we overthrew their government and installed our man in 1952.

    I wonder how you would feel of a foreign power did that to us??

    (given current circumstances with your fuhrer, that's actually a rhetorical question).
     
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    There isn't any pressure on Russia or China to stop doing business with Iran.

    Trump has no leverage with either, because he has no credibility with either.

    The Turks have already told the clown prince to pound sand on cutting off Iran. What makes you think that the Russians and the Chinese are going to be any different.
     
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