WHAT "liberals never want to discuss it"? I discuss it all the time pointing out how black women have as much right to an abortion as white women which some Anti-Choicers seem to disapprove of!!!
Fetuses are protected by the state. Persons have rights. A fetus isn't a person. I disagree. Pro-lifers have been pushing to remove abortion rights for decades. Passing laws as draconian as the one in Alabama where doctors can get a life sentence for being second guessed by a prosecutor on a judgment they make on a woman's medical condition brings the legal system itself into disrepute.
Oh, please--blacks are less likely to use other forms of birth control. We're not running out of black people. Abortion doesn't kill people because fetuses aren't persons.
Women would eventually get used to it, and have to adapt their lifestyles back to how things were in the 40s. Contrary to what is popularly claimed, it wasn't just the pill that ushered in the "sexual revolution" of the 60s.
I wish the conservatives (think American eugenics in the 19th century) would get hoping all the blacks are going to go away. They are not.
Read carefully. Women will not be going back to the 1940s and coat hanger abortions or back alley medicos. If SCOTUS did make such a ruling, the Dems would have the presidency and the Senate and House in the next election. Congress would withdraw abortion jurisdiction from SCOTUS, Congress would impeach the leading conservative justices and remove them from the Court, and Congress and the President would appoint liberal justices up to a 15 member court.
kazenatsu, you must not be an American, because you demonstrating no real concept of how American culture works.
Could you explain how things were in the 1940's that were different than any other time in history? Nope , but it was part of it....women realized they were able to have sex when and where and with whomever they wanted...just like men had done since humans existed...
FlamingLib said: ↑ Bodily autonomy is a fundamental right. YUP! Any baby has that right..... a fetus doesn't....
kazenatsu:Contrary to what is popularly claimed, it wasn't just the pill that ushered in the "sexual revolution" of the 60s"". FoxHastings: Nope , but it was part of it....women realized they were able to have sex when and where and with whomever they wanted...just like men had done since humans existed... At what terrible cost? Women having sex when they felt like and as freely as men have done? It's a "terrible cost" if women have freedom but NOT a "terrible cost " if MEN do?????? HERE, YOU MISSED PART OF THE POST YOU CHERRY PICKED FOR CONVENIENCE: Could you explain how things were in the 1940's that were different than any other time in history?
The feminist movement is all about allowing women to be able to "f--k like men", as if that's a good thing.
A fetus is a developmental stage of th same human Sorry that basic embryology soared right over your head
Well, MEN THINK IT IS ! NO, the feminist movement was NOT all about having sex. It was all about equality and equal rights.. At what terrible cost? Women having sex when they felt like and as freely as men have done? It's a "terrible cost" if women have freedom but NOT a "terrible cost " if MEN do?????? HERE, YOU MISSED PART OF THE POST YOU CHERRY PICKED FOR CONVENIENCE: Could you explain how things were in the 1940's that were different than any other time in history? You caim things were "different" in the 1940's but can't say how?????
So what? It isn't born so it has no rights. What rights do you want it to have. The right to use another's body to sustain it's life? A right NO one else has? The right to harm another person without their consent? WHO has that RIGHT?
See I think this backfired on liberals. If they hadn't gone too far, such as abortions right up till time of birth, this wouldn't be going so far the other direction. There is nothing in the constitution about abortion. Not a constitutional right. Can anyone give me one example of why a woman would need a late term abortion? With the technology we have now, anything wrong with the baby would certainly be detected early in the pregnancy. And if it is a lifestyle decision, the woman can make it by eight weeks or she's SOL. As far as rape is concerned, I would imagine that if a woman reports rape, the first test that would happen is a pregnancy test. So why would she need to wait till late term?? Same with incest. Also, if an exception is made for rape, wouldn't all women wanting an abortion simply claim they had been raped?
What would really make women powerful is if society, thinking mainly of the fashion and entertainment industries , didn't undermine women's confidence about their appearance. If women's self esteem wasn't under constant atrack they might not feel the need to sleep with guys who are not committed to them and thereby get pregnant. Same goes for guys. Abortion is a symptom of a much larger problems with both men and women and societal expectations. A guy in college shouldn't be ridiculed for a lack of sexual conquest and a woman shouldn't feel inferior cause she isn't " runway material "
So at a certain age humans begin deteriorating, at what point are they no longer persons? When their brain function diminishes? When their heartbeat goes away?
I think the feminist movement started with a very few unhappy women who decided all their problems were caused by the men in their lives and pressed their views on all of us that we had a score to settle with men in general.
FoxHastings said: ↑ NO, the feminist movement was NOT all about having sex. It was all about equality and equal rights.. Which is a load of horsepucky. The feminist movement, which started long before the 60's, developed as more and more women realized they wanted the same rights as other humans. Some people may think that's wrong for women to have equal rights but it really isn't. There were MANY women who weren't happy with not being able to vote or own their own property or business or with turning their wealth and wages over to their fathers and husbands or being told they don't need an education because all they are good for is waiting on a man and having kids, or having ideas dismissed out of hand because they were female, or being ridiculed because they were the only female medical student allowed in college, or being told they only could go to college to have a "female " career(nursing/teacher), or being shamed for having sex or becoming pregnant while not married, .of being incarcerated in asylums because they wouldn't accept the status quo of women as slaves and property, being told they are to be happy having kids and doing all the housework and if they aren't there's something wrong with them.., ..etc. etc. etc. …. If you want to go back to all that, go ahead but no one should stop other people from progressing...
