It’s Stupid to Think Christianity is as Stupid as Some Skeptics Suppose

yes anything is a possible. All the air molecules in a room could move at the same time to one corner but the probability is vanishingly small. There could be unicorns and goblins and flying sphaghetti monsters but that doesn't mean that rational people accept them as real.

If you want to believe in god ( although I doubt you can define god with any precision ) that is your faith but do not claim thst belief is based on fact or logic.

 

You forgot the talking donkey.

 

I am sure you have many good excuses for them

 

if the bible were the truth, when someone read it, they would just go... duh, why didn't I see that before, there would be no need to defend the bible, it would just make sense, why doesn't the bible do this, because obviously man wrote the bible, not a god

 

And how do you know I haven’t at some stage of my life experienced such yet gone on to reject it as a vivid hallucination?

 

If you had experienced it you wouldn't have rejected it.

Simple as that.

 

even if one has such an experiences, many do for many religions, does it prove them all true?

I have had an out of body experience, it points me to an afterlife, but more Buddhist in nature imo

but I will agree, without that experience I may not believe in a life after death.. but even I must admit it could of been a rare function of the mind, no way to know for sure until we die

 

You are correct.

I won't know until I die but I don't think people should disparage me for that belief.

If I am wrong it means nothing to their lives.

Thank you for the honest answer, many of us are on different paths but I have a sneaky suspicion that they will lead to the same place.

I am glad you are on it though

 

the reason Christianity is getting push back is they are trying to force it on people via the government.... if atheist tried to make a "in no God we Trust" coin, you can bet Christians woudl be upset too or made their children say a pledge every school day that said "one nation, under no God....."

I am for freedom of religion, your free to believe what you want as anyone else

but others are free to disagree with the religion, any religion

others saying their beliefs in no god is not an attack on Christianity, it's just their beliefs

keep government out of religion and religion out of government I say

 

True any good ventriloquist can do that trick. And any snake oil salesman worth his salt could make the lame walk and raise the dead. That silliness has been going on forever and has always fooled the fools wanting to believe.

 

In this forum questions are seldom answered when posed....are you indicating that you will do so?

 

Another "God is real because God is real" thread ... whatever.

Never had a Christian be able to reconcile the concept of "free will" with an "all powerful creator". For at the very instant of creation, an all-powerful creator would know the entire range of possibilities of every action - every thought - every movement of said creation. A fact which eliminates all possibility of "free will". Yet Christians will dance around and pretend that their Bible indicates "free will" AND an omnipotent creator. Can't happen. Can't have both. The omnipotent creator knew the pattern of said creation at the moment of creation. The pattern is set.

 

I always said.

Christianity was written by lawyers.

 

We can agree with most of that with the exception ‘at the moment of creation’ is a meaningless concept for a being suppodedly possessed with onmiscience. Such and entity is aware of everything that ever did happen or ever will happen therefore lives outside of time as we know it.
As to claims made here by believers that there has been a long history of examining the contradictions within scripture if the claim wasn’t so absurd I’d laugh. Are we to believe no progress has been made in the last century in academic biblical studies and that all those contradictions and moral obscenities within scripture were faced up to many centuries ago?

 

The problem is that they are pushing their belief on us through the government also.

If one is wrong than both are wrong.

 

Really?

What are you being required to do that you don't want to do?

 

It is amazing what you find on the internet.

 

Just because God can know what we will do doesn’t mean that he forced us to make that choice. Gods will is that all be saved and none lost. That’s not going to happen because we have the free will to defy Gods best wishes for our behalf. Many will choose other paths for their life.

 

So you know all about God's will huh.
There are over 3000 God's, and their wills are different.

 

the is no "there is no God" laws on the books, it is on our money and our pledge though, in the Money God we trust....

 

I pray to Joe Pesci, he gets sh-t done;

 

From what I've seen in recent discussions here, it seems atheists are just looking for some quick & easy way to catch Christian theology off balance and find cheap inconsistencies.

The vast majority of these arguments are disingenuous. When pressed in a logical debate, it's like these atheists stubbornly want to see something that isn't there.

So I'm not saying the atheist position is wrong here, but most of their arguments here are.

 

I'm also noticing that the usual atheists are crowding into these threads and trying to derail with endless deflects.

Meaningful discussion isn't really possible when that happens.

 

I think that's what happens when there are two sides on a question for which there is not only no answer, there really isn't even evidence that can be held in common.

I'm convinced the direction we need to take is to work at keeping religion and science separate - using religion to answer questions of why we are here, relationship to the supernatural, etc., while using science to answer questions of how our physical universe works.

 

There is an intersection of religion and science, but they do not really fully overlap.

If one only tries to use the conventional scientific method to deal with religion, they're not going to get anywhere.

What one needs to understand is that the scientific method is not all-encompassing of logic.
The two are not exactly synonymous.