In Eric Garner case, Justice Department declines civil rights charges against New York City police o

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  1. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

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    One does not have to be factually correct in their position, when their only intention is to demonstrate that those the are addressing are factually incorrect, as well as having no idea what they are attempting to talk about.

    No one cares about the disproven claims of the two coroners, whose opinions were proven incorrect when the autopsy revealed asthma was the cause of the death of Eric Garner, not the supposed choke hold.
     
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    Brought on by his resisting arrest.
     
  3. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    The jury was presented the evidence and testimony as to what occurred, they found no crimes. The DOJ said the same. There are no pending criminal charges nor any further criminal investigation.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    no, he died of an asthma attack that was fueled by the chokehold.

    Pantaleo didn't give him asthma, heart disease or obesity.
     
  5. notme

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    Both coroners blame the choke hold, and so they rule it's a homicide, not a death by natural causes.
    You can say no all you want. But that does not change a thing about this who and what the coroners claim to who is to blame for this.
     
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    I totally agree with everything you said.
     
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    But he did give him an illegal chokehold which precipitated the attack. I support the police, but in this case, the policeman is guilty, in my opinion. He did not deserve to be treated that way over cigarettes. Give me a break!
     
  8. Xenamnes

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    the doctor who performed the autospy says he died of an asthma attack caused by the choke hold.

    but he had asthma long before he met the cop.

    no asthma? no death.

    maybe he should have lost some weight too.
     
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    It reads...
    Dr. Persechino, a veteran city medical examiner, stood by her finding that his death was a homicide caused by the officer’s use of force. “The chokehold is a significant initial factor of the cascade,”

    So it puts the blame on the cop.
     
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    Source posted in 183 says: Dr. Persechino, a veteran city medical examiner, stood by her finding that his death was a homicide caused by the officer’s use of force.

    "Maybe" the cop should have let go, when the guy said I can not breath.
    What he was doing, was illegal. He knew he was using an illegal technique.
    The cop was not at risk and could have stopped what he was doing.
    But the cop just went on cold heatedly chocking him, and caused his death.
    The doctors put the blame clearly on the cop.

    And here you are defying everything and pin the blame on the minority, with fake news.
     
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    Factor, not direct and sole cause. Eric Garner died due to high blood pressure and asthma.
     
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    Nope ... the cause is that it was a homicide caused by the cop's use of force. I quoted it from YOUR source.
    You're in no position to claim otherwise.
     
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    the cop did not cause him to have asthma, be obese and have heart disease.

    if he had no asthma, was in good shape and had a healthy heart, he would be alive today.

    at most, the cop committed involuntary negligent manslaughter.
     
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    There wasn't a victim. There was a perpetrator and a police officer.

    Police don't just run around killing people. So no.
    The city should pay damages this was wrongful death. The officer is partially culpable.
    That's horse **** see above.
     
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    The experts have spoken, champ.
    It's a homicide, caused the cop's use of force.
    You don't get to alter their expert opinion with your own.
    Not going to buy it.
     
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    Read post 183.
    The experts have spoken, champ.
    It's a homicide, caused the cop's use of force.
    You don't get to alter their expert opinion with your own.
    Not going to buy it.

    As for your "Police don't just run around killing people."
    Yeah... some actually do just that.


    Do note. The cop went on lying on what he did.
    The entire thing was even taped! Thugs with badges.
    They are everywhere.
     
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    Post a link that says he did. The asthma attack that followed his choice to fight with the Police instead of going quietly was the Proximate cause. When anyone is 350lbs and has asthma, they should think twice before deciding to fight with the Cops. Did he think they would back off and say "Whoa.....this guys going to fight with us, maybe we should arrest someone else?"

    “Every time you see me you try to arrest me,” Garner told Officer Daniel Pantaleo and a second cop before he was put in the chokehold, according to a video first posted by nydailynews.com. “I’m tired of it. It stops today.”

    By golly he was right, it stopped that day.......

    Warned, admonished, 3 pending court cases and poor ole Eric still didn't get the message, the state of New York wouldn't stand for him intercepting their revenue stream. Funny how those on the left excuse some folks for being tax cheats, but not others.
     
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    I do believe there officer is responsible. So don't lie. I just don't see Garner as an innocent little victim.
     
  20. Mr_Truth

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    Garner was a murder victim.

    All right wingers who condemn intrusive government and applaud the 2d Amendment should demand frontier justice for that criminal cop who was caught laughing as his victim was dying.
     
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    an asthma attack brought on by choking
     
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    Cheating a liberal state out of it's tax revenue is likely a capital crime.
     
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    I worked in the tax field for many years in NYC as a IRS agent. This included working with the FBI, NYC and NYS taxing agents, police, and even with Revenue Canada. While there were a couple of times when I issued warrants for those who engaged in non-compliance, never once did I attempt to authorize the arrest of or cause violence to anyone. Those stupid cops did not have to arrest Garner as compliance with the local tax law is up to NYC taxing agents, not cops. Those cops are murderers as well as usurpers who did not have the authority to force compliance with the tax laws.
     
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    And other's disagree. The blame is completely on Garner who killed himself by resisting a legitimate arrest. What is people's problem with that unless they simply want to bash the police?
     
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    She...
    Link posted in post 183. And it says:
    Dr. Persechino, a veteran city medical examiner, stood by her finding that his death was a homicide caused by the officer’s use of force. “The chokehold is a significant initial factor of the cascade,”
     

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