In Eric Garner case, Justice Department declines civil rights charges against New York City police o

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  1. notme

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    The problems are:
    - Garner posed no threat to anybody
    - The cop used an illegal technique, deliberately. He was trained to not do this.
    - Garner requested to breath, and the cop denied it.
    - The cop could have stopped his illegal technique at any point without any consequences for his own safety and did not.
    - The coroners both accuse the cop of killing Garner.
    - Cops do not have a license to kill.
     
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    yeah, it led to an asthma attack.

    but if he had no asthma, there would have been no asthma attack
     
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    None of which address that fact that Garner resisted arrested.
     
  4. notme

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    Nope.
    The source still says that it's a homicide caused by the officer's use of force.
     
  5. notme

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    I address the fact that the problems the cop caused lead to the death of Garner.
     
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    Had Garner not resisted arrest he would still be alive.
     
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  7. notme

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    Had the cop not used an illegal chokehold for no reason at all, declined the request to breathe for no reason at all, than Garner would still be alive and arrested. The cop simply does not have a license to execute. It aint judge dredd. And you lot seem to suggest the cop has all this.
     
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    Had Garner not resisted arrest he would still be alive.
     
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    I already rebuked this in my previous post. You're just not able to dispute what I wrote. Pathetic.
     
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    Had Garner not resisted arrest he would still be alive. All of what happens stems from him reisteing. Its case closed. Had he not resisted---no choke hold---- no death.
     
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    I already responded to this.

    Nope.
    The cop still has no excuse for his choke hold.
    The cop still has no excuse why he did not comply with the request to breathe.
    And you are unable to deny this.
     
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    blame the state of New York, as it is the one that made the selling of untaxed cigarettes a crime.
     
  13. notme

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    I stick with blaming the cop because
    The cop still has no excuse for his choke hold.
    The cop still has no excuse why he did not comply with the request to breathe.
    The way you're going, you want to have cocaine sold legal next.
    Let's not.
     
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    There has to be a better way to deal with people who resist arrest
    Can't they use tranq guns or something?
    The guy did say he couldn't breathe (he shouldn't have resisted in the first place but still, this did not need to be a death )
     
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    A law enforcement officer is not under any legal obligation to comply with the requests of suspects who are being placed under arrest. Prove otherwise.
     
  16. notme

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    The cop is not allowed to do that at all. So there shouldn't be even a request needed. You can prove otherwise.
     
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    Search N.Y. TAX. LAW § 470 : NY Code - Section 470: Definitions

    Definitions for sale of cigarettes.

    Search N.Y. TAX. LAW § 471-c : NY Code - Section 471-C: Use tax on tobacco

    If you bring in cigarettes from out of state you still must pay the tax on them......even for personal consumption - Use Tax.

    Search N.Y. TAX. LAW § 471 : NY Code - Section 471: Imposition of cigarette tax

    .......even just to possess them.

    Search N.Y. TAX. LAW § 480-a : NY Code - Section 480-A: Retail dealer and vending machine registration

    He would need a license and display it, pay a $1000 fee even if he had no regular place of business.

    Search N.Y. TAX. LAW § 1801 : NY Code - Section 1801: Tax fraud acts

    What he was doing is tax fraud under NY law.

    Search N.Y. TAX. LAW § 1802 : NY Code - Section 1802: Criminal tax fraud in the fifth degree

    The first time he was arrested for selling cigarettes he could claim he didn't know and it would have been a Class A Misdemeanor.

    Search N.Y. TAX. LAW § 1803 : NY Code - Section 1803: Criminal tax fraud in the fourth degree

    Subsequent arrests would Class E Felonies.
     
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    The initial factor in the cascade was this............

    “Every time you see me you try to arrest me,” Garner told Officer Daniel Pantaleo....“I’m tired of it. It stops today.”

    Garner decided he wanted to fight. He could have done what he was asked and turned around and get cuffed, he'd be alive today if he did.
     
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    It was sourced that:
    Dr. Persechino, a veteran city medical examiner, stood by her finding that his death was a homicide caused by the officer’s use of force.

    That does not open up other possibilities, buddy. And I'm not interested in an amateur who think he knows best when he's anonymous chatting on this iffy forum.
     
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    That's one guy's opinion. However it would have never happened in the first place had Garner not chosen to fight instead of being arrested. That's the bottom line.
     
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    He's THE EXPERT! lol
    No expert is contradicting him. Just nobodies who don't know what they are talking about.
     
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    Resisting arrest is never a good idea.
     
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    Lets not let any facts get in the way of social justice now

    1. Man breaks law
    2. Man resists arrest
    3. Fat man has heart attack because he fights cops
    4. That's all folks
     
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    On cross-examination, Mr. London attempted to challenge Dr. Persechino’s findings. He repeatedly asked her about Mr. Garner’s other ailments: He was obese, weighing 395 pounds, had chronic asthma and an enlarged heart almost twice the size of a healthy person.

    “Any stress he engaged in would probably be more deadly for him than a normal person,” Mr. London suggested to the doctor.


    Maybe the cops should check everyone's medical records before arresting anyone who would rather fight than comply and be arrested. What happened was a tragedy, one started by his own actions.

    “Every time you see me you try to arrest me,” Garner told Officer Daniel Pantaleo....“I’m tired of it. It stops today.”

    Considering his health conditions, that almost sounds like suicide by cop to me.
     
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    Under federal tax law, one could be arrested for failure to comply with the tax law. Never once did I issue an arrest warrant for anyone's failure to comply (let me clarify that the only warrants I issued were only to compel a taxpayer's appearance before the agency). Dead people cannot pay taxes so that it would be a lot more convenient to just send him a bill and make him pay.
     
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