Trump ended the rule blocking mentally ill people from getting guns.

"Real" Americans don't got no guns.

 

Because they have a right to it. Just getting money to cover treatment isn’t a crime, nor does it highlight any reason to take that right away. Nor should it put the on a criminal list.

It’s rather sick that you all think simply getting mental health treatment means you are a criminal or your rights should be taken.

 

Um the op brought up Obama. That’s what this thread is about

 

You just painted an entire group of people with a broad stroke, just like racists do. Will you be turning in your guns now? When someone refers to their group as "True Americans" or worship the only "True God" they are revealing their belief in supremacy. I believe the pot and the kettle had a similar exchange!

 

Mentally ill have no 'right' to own guns. The 2dA is not absolute, and the courts have ruled that way in regulating arming and bearing weapons.

The 'civil war' guys and gals: for your sake, don't.

 

Not going to happen, Molon, the way you want. The great majority of Americans are fed up with Trumpville.

 

You did that, Doofen, not me. The great majority of Americans are not going to let the mentally ill or their gun allies threaten us anymore.

 

How are you going to stop them, cover the country with GUN FREE ZONE signs?

 

It can be when it is taken to the extreme. Depression is not an issue until it becomes suicidal ideation

 

There is little evidence that shooters chose targets based on whether or not it is a gun free zone. In fact many want to go out in a “blaze of glory”
https://www.fbi.gov/about/partnerships/office-of-partner-engagement/active-shooter-resources
“Suicide by cop’

 

So, who is holding up legislation at the moment?

 

Where is the due process in denying rights based on social security benefits?

 

The term "Mentally ill" the way you are using it paints a large group of people with a broad stroke. That is what racists do. Not all mentally ill people are dangerous and should lose their second amendment rights. My father-in-law is a Vietnam veteran and has been treated for PTSD for many years. He is not a violent man and is no threat to anyone.

Are you proposing that his sacrifice be used against him to deny him his second amendment rights?
By grouping all those seeking treatment for mental illness as "all the same" how does make your bias any better than racial bias?
Finally, for those who may be a threat, why would they ever seek treatment knowing that their rights will be taken as a result?
You used the term "True Americans" which reveals your mental state of mind when it comes to those who do not share your beliefs. How are you any better than racists or the "mentally ill"? The pot and the kettle had a similar exchange.

 

And yet Massachusetts HAS been successful with gun control

 

I agree they can lose that right after due process...but that doesn’t make them criminals the way Obama’s rule did.

 

No but it should allow assessment of his mental health state. Not that I advocate for mental illness precluding anyone necessarily as only 22% of mass shooters have a mental health issue. But one does wonder if there should be some criteria of assessment for fitness. The Dayton killer was known to make out lists of people he would like to kill and rape

 

Again if the law is that the SS administration has to send ALL records of mental health services to a government database for the FBI there is going to be push back and it's not going to do the FBI much good. So forget that angle and what Trump ended because the professional groups objected to the stigmatizing and release of private medical records en mass.

Some other reporting system? Tip lines? Doctors and teachers who have close contact and better reporting from them, you know nothing stops that now if there is a belief of imminent danger even future. But what do you do then. We can't put people in jail because we think they might commit a crime. Can we force counseling and instituting? It's not just a simple thing and calls by the Democrats for special sessions to pass emergency bills with little deliberation and investigation are folly.

But we have to start before then, we have to start in the home and somehow get our society back to the nuclear family with mothers AND fathers fully involved. I keep hearing interviews with professionals who are pointing to the studies which are showing one of our greatest disservice to recent generations and what has produced some of our greatest societal problems has been the marginalization of fathers, of men in the lives of children.

 

And no one reported it. Why should it take a law? That is what should happen not the SS administration sending private medical records of everyone receiving Medicare coverage for mental health issues.

 

The problem is too many young boys who are not receiving the right guidance in their lives leading to this type of behavior. Each of these last to could have been just as deadly with a hand-gun. If not a gun a knife or machete. Heck a couple of propane bombs. If we have young males turning to such behaviors because of problems in their lives what type of weapon they use is going to matter much.

 

Obama was a better president, so get over it. I agree with you on the need for due process.

 

No due process is violated in SS forwarding info on mental health histories.

However, to ensure fairness and protection of individuals, a due process procedure should begin at that point.

 

Sorry I don’t think making people with a mental health issue a criminal is a “better president”. Actually it reminds me of what the nazis did

Thanks however for highlighting the dangers of socialized medicine...once the govt has access to all your private medical records they will use or against you

 

Sounds like it violates HIPPA to me

 

Cry all you want, you are going to lose your assault rifles and no one is going to listen to you.

 

Enough with the apologetic, defensive posturing behind “common sense” gun reform. We need tough-as-nails gun reform. We need gun reform that makes a difference and saves lives. HIPPA will support mental health reform to protect the mentally ill and the public.