Can't drive, can't buy beer, or cigarettes, or porn, or lottery... But a rifle?... No problem!

Trump thinks all the problems facing mankind can be solved with rhetoric. Last week, Trump went to a great deal of trouble to convince his base that, when it comes to meaningful background checks to eliminate all the loopholes, he really means it. Of course, everyone else did not believe him because they have heard all this before and, in some cases, they knew he was outright lying.

In 2013, Trump said he supported background checks for gun purchases to “weed out the sickos.” Two years later, he flip-flopped and said he opposed expanded checks.

In late February the White House issued a statement warning that Trump would veto proposed legislation to enhance background checks for gun purchases if it passes the House and Senate.

In 2018 Trump, after the high school shooting in Parkland, Fla., insisted that stronger checks would be “fully backed” by the White House. But that position only lasted a few days. After a late-night meeting with the National Rifle Association in the Oval Office Trump backed down and nothing happened.

On Friday, in the wake of massacres in El Paso and Dayton, Ohio, Trump presented himself now as a deal-maker eager to bring Democrats and Republicans together behind tougher background checks. Please, no one laugh. This is serious.

On the way to his golf club in Bedminster, N.J. Trump said Friday that there was “tremendous” support for “really common-sense sensible, important background checks” even as the NRA. and gun rights supporters vowed to oppose them. The Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, was “on board,” Trump said.

Trump was lying.

In a written statement issued Thursday, Wayne LaPier, NRA's CEO, said none of the gun control proposals being discussed would have prevented the most recent attacks. “Worse, they would make millions of law abiding Americans less safe and less able to defend themselves and their loved ones,” the statement said. He described many of the proposals as “soundbite solutions” that “fail to address the root of the problem, confront criminal behavior or make our communities safer.”

That doesn't sound like the NRA is onboard.

Neither is McConnell. With some skepticism as to how this will play out, he expressed a willingness to consider a measure expanding background checks for all gun purchasers, saying it will be “front and center” in a coming Senate debate on how to respond to gun violence. There is nothing new here. The House passed a universal background check bill in February. So, what McConnell is saying has been true for months. He is just buying time, knowing this will blow over and grassroots Republicans want nothing to do with the Democratic bill. It matters little what Trump says.

“There’s never been a president like President Trump,” Trump said as he left for a 10-day vacation.

Nothing will change while Trump is President and McConnell is the Senate Majority Leader.

This source helped me with this report: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/09/us/politics/gun-background-checks.html

 

And you understand the seller has committed a class 4 felony. You are very ignorant of existing firearm laws. That seems to be a requirement to be an alt-leftie.

 

Hah! I don't claim to know the laws of Viriginia. But you do! And you failed miserably!

Nothing in the statute you quoted makes it unlawful for the 13 year old to purchase that rifle.

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§ 18.2-308.7. Possession or transportation of certain firearms by persons under the age of 18; penalty.
[...]
This section shall not apply to:
1. Any person (i) while in his home or on his property; (ii) while in the home or on the property of his parent, grandparent, or legal guardian; or (iii) while on the property of another who has provided prior permission, and with the prior permission of his parent or legal guardian if the person has the landowner's written permission on his person while on such property;
2. Any person who, while accompanied by an adult, is at, or going to and from, a lawful shooting range or firearms educational class, provided that the weapons are unloaded while being transported;
3. Any person actually engaged in lawful hunting or going to and from a hunting area or preserve, provided that the weapons are unloaded while being transported; and
4. Any person while carrying out his duties in the Armed Forces of the United States or the National Guard of this Commonwealth or any other state.

 

No, your point is specifically NOT made. False narrative.

 

Seriously? Hunting was a survial skill, not a hobby. Our revolutionary forces enlisted teenagers.

 

In 2017:

400 murders with rifles
1600 murders with knives

You forgot, "Silverware? No Problem."

 

This clerk can sell the kid a gun without a check(which requires ID)?

 

So you are supporting the sale of weapons to children. What a shock.

 

I am hoping you are not serious? If you are, I don't agree. I was married with a child by the time I was 25. I had been on my own since the age of 17. There really is no magical number when maturity sets in, I know 60 year olds who haven't "grown up".

 

If someone wants illegal drugs then all they need is the money to purchase or the nerve to steal them. Same for guns.

 

Your statute covers the possession or transportation of a firearm by a minor. This video had to be staged by CNN. you are seeing only what was edited by CNN. Virginia. You saw the transaction NOT the sale. Virginia police are on sight at all gun shows to monitor private sales of firearms and insure background checks. What you didn't see in this fake news CNN setup was the mother telling the seller she gave permission for the sale. If you think the deal went the way fake news CNN presented it was unedited, you are a fool.

 

Yes, simply because they did not stop to consider what the word 'arms' might mean in a hundred or so years. If they had, there would have been some way of giving every citizen the right to bear ARMS as long as they were single shot flintlocks.

 

I'm sure they never considered a drug abuse crisis, and the violent crime associated with it. Guns aren't the problem.

 

I too believe that the video was staged.

I've been to a countless number of gun shows, know several vendors and simply do not believe that any actual firearms vendor or dealer would sell a rifle to a minor.

 

Raise the age to purchase all the products in the OP, and the voting age, to 21.

 

Yup, guns are never the problem. Here's a list of common traits shared by every Western democracy.
- drug abuse
- single parent households
- mental illness
- video games
- crazy radicals
- crime and violence
What's missing? 25,000 deaths per year from guns. Only America owns that one. Ain't we proud.

 

That is true.

The only reason the Second Amendment exists is because the founders were afraid of the Federal government raising a big standing army.

So they invested the need to have armed soldiers in the event of an Indian uprising or a war on the public. They didn’t want the Federal government to have to power of a large standing army.

More importantly, they didn’t want to have to pay for one.

It has only been since the end of WWII, and American emergence as a dominant world power taht the US actually maintained a large standing army, and only half a century longer that we maintained more than a coastal defense navy.

The irony of this is that if the right wingers have their way, and the US withdraws back from world power and embraces isolationism, there will be no need for either.

And yet, it’s the emerging isolationists who are the most militaristic.

 

And I gather your point is that saving 400 lives is not worth the effort, right?

 

Todays weapons are a lot like trump. They aren't necessarily the problem but they sure do contribute to the problem.

 

He's not a clerk. Watch again.

 

So does yours!!!!

It's one thing not to know the law (and I never claimed to know every single gun law of every state, like you did) and quite another to not understand it when you yourself quoted it.

The kid has no criminal background. He's only 13!

Why would the seller need permission from the mother?

You are desperately looking for strawman arguments. And it's very noticeable.

I don't see the details of the sale. But you just make them up. Just like you made up the nonsense about knowing all the laws of all the states.

The fact is that the kid can legally buy the gun. And that's creepy!

 

Actually, when this right was created ARMS meant exactly what it said and referred to weapons in common use, but you know that don't you.

I am not going to continue to argue with you over this.
https://www.wikihow.com/Privately-Sell-a-Gun-in-Virginia
If you are convinced you are correct, grab a 13 year old kid, have him walk alone into a gun show and come out with a firearm he bought from a licensed dealer OR any private party in attendance. Get back to us with the results and then we can continue this discussion.

 

In 1803 Meriwether Lewis carried a .46 caliber 22 shot repeating rifle on the Lewis and Clark expedition, the Puckle Gun was a large caliber revolver patented in 1718 and a third example is the Kalthoff Repeater that was also an 18th century invention. The authors of the Bill of Rights certainly knew there would be more than just single shot flintlocks because such weapons existed prior to the writing of the Bill of Rights.

 

Good call! Given that you ran out of laws and are now left iwth a wikipage only

Sure. The results are on the OP. But I don't think you have anything to continue the discussion on, given that you, who claims to know "all the laws" couldn't come up with one that would definitively prevent this from happening.

 

Even better.