WSJ: Trump colluding with Ukraine

Wow, i was wondering how u guys were gonna spin this... they will never quit.

 

No, no. The IG (appointed by the Trump administration) apparently agreed with the "whistleblower." I presume you'd trust an IG, wouldn't you? You know...like the IG investigating the FBI.

 

You mean the 'whistleblower' without first hand knowledge?

 

You know this how?

 

You mean like the way the Obama White House went AFTER whistleblowers.
Check it out.Like he did those wanting to see his White House visitor logs.
Or his Veterans Adm. records.Or did you forget that Obama's AG
Eric Holder was The only Active American Cabinet Official to
ever be found guilty of Contempt of Congress.Holder used
Obama's claim of Executive Privilege to hide his guilt.
Check it out.

 

"Hoosier8" may answer for themselves...but I think I heard the same unsubstantiated story in one of the major media stories on the subject...not sure if anyone has verified it yet. In fact, it may have been a comment posed as a question by one of the "talking heads," as in: "We're not even sure whether or not the whistleblower has direct knowledge of this?"

 

Yeah....they"ve gone bananas.The guy who was investigating what happened to 1.8 billion USD missing is suddenly a bad guy and the guys who robbed the country blind are the good guys. Dem/Lib logic. It explains why they hate the police force and anyone representing the law and order.

 

I'm sure we'd agree that two wrongs do not equal one right. In Holder's case, if I remember it correctly, it was over the DEA operation run in the southwest, whereby we sold weapons to drug runners, as a means of tracing their routes into the country from Mexico. The Obama administration claimed the program was begun under Bush Junior, but continued under Obama. One of the guns sold was used in the murder of a U.S. law enforcement officer. Republican Congressional representatives, who held the majority at the time, we're digging into the origin of the program and its details. Holder, as AG, withheld documents they wanted and when he refused to produce them, held him in contempt of Congress. Yes, it's possible this could end up in some similar "Contempt of Congress." Doesn't mean Holder was right...or that McGuire or Barr (if they become the roadblock) can do the same.

 

Don’t you believe everything you read?

 

Sadly, that is true.

 

Pat Buchanan as usual is spot-on.As he was going on 20 years ago and his
telltale book - The Death of the West - chronicling how dying populations,
immigration invasions will impact our country and culture.Precisely what
has happened.
So the Guy { Long time regular on - The McLaughlin Group - } had to
explain to aging lefty Eleanor Clift what and how " quid pro quo " is
actually part & parcel as business as usual in D.C.
That Maybe President Trump was right to hold back { for a month or so }
$ 250 Million to the Ukraine unless and until they " provide us that Biden
file on how all that money went out there,and what was going in there,what that
was all about,and you got yourself a deal."
He obviously was referring to the Biden " One Billion in Ukrainian aid "
that was being used as leverage or a real " quid pro quo " by then
V.P. Biden until and unless Ukraine FIRED a General Prosecutor.
Then Honorable Pat,a 3 time Presidential candidate himself expounded,
as he often does, with the new budding Trump Ukraine Scandal.Turning an Obvious Biden
Scandal Into a Trump Scandal.

" It is the Deep State-media alliance in this city,which
is resisting and attempting to overthrow the government
the American have imposed upon them.Issue after issue
it is the same thing and involves these two warring
faction in this city. "

 

"The United States and other Western nations had for months called for the ousting of Mr. Shokin, who was widely criticized for turning a blind eye to corrupt practices and for defending the interests of a venal and entrenched elite. He was one of several political figures in Kiev whom reformers and Western diplomats saw as a worrying indicator of a return to past corrupt practices, two years after a revolution that was supposed to put a stop to self-dealing by those in power.

As the problems festered, Kiev drew increasingly sharp criticism from Western diplomats and leaders. In a visit in December, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. said corruption was eating Ukraine “like a cancer.” Christine Lagarde, the managing director of the International Monetary Fund, which props up Ukraine financially, said last month that progress was so slow in fighting corruption that “it’s hard to see how the I.M.F.-supported program can continue.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/30/...-balance-as-ukraine-ousts-top-prosecutor.html

IOW, the US (Biden being the US front man on the issue) was part of a group of western nations who were calling for Shokin to be dismissed. Trumpist's make it sound as though Biden was acting unilaterally.

 

NO ... The problem was quite Simple.Holder being questioned
{ under oath ? } by Congress when asked as to his first knowing or
learning about the covert Operation known as - Fast & Furious -
LIED.He gave some grade school childs lie as to not knowing
exactly when he first learned of the operation.He gave a roundabout
time frame that was off over a year.That is what he told Congress as to
when he first learned of Operation - Fast & Furious -.
he was off over a year off.Then when Congress gave an ultimatum as to
his handing over documents relating to - Fast & Furious - he refused.
That would have proved when,in fact he first knew of the operation.
Holder used Obama's Executive Priviledge to keep from complying
with Congress' demand for - Fast & Furious - documents.

 

"Trump has claimed that Biden in 2016 pressured the Ukrainian government to fire Viktor Shokin, the top Ukrainian prosecutor, because he was investigating a Ukrainian gas producer, Burisma Holdings, that had added Biden’s son Hunter to its board. But it turns out that the investigation had already been shelved when Biden acted and may have even involved a side company, not Burisma. The Ukrainian prosecutor was regarded as a failure, and “Joe Biden’s efforts to oust Shokin were universally praised,” said Anders Aslund, a Swedish economist heavily involved in Eastern European market reforms.

Moreover, Yuri Lutsenko, a former Ukrainian prosecutor general who succeeded the fired prosecutor, told Bloomberg News that there was no evidence of wrongdoing by Joe or Hunter Biden."

Fact-checking Trump’s latest claims on Biden and Ukraine
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/09/23/fact-checking-trumps-latest-claims-biden-ukraine/

 

Washington Post? Come on, they have lost all the credibility when it comes to Trump.No one takes them seriously any longer outside the liberal internet circle jerk. They brought it onto themselves by being propagandists, not journaliists.

 

The point is the narrative that Biden had Shokin removed on his own is laughable.

BTW, so is your belief in what the Liar-in-Chief says over the WaPo.

 

It would take you two minutes to fact check this and find out. Investigations began after this useless prosecutor was ousted. Others behind his ouster included the IMF and all the Western nations giving financial support and the Ukraininan parliament who voted overwhelmingly for a vote of no confidence in him.

 

In a court of law or even in Judge Judy's court room what Biden
Said { or bragged about } is what is termed Direct Evidence.
There is no such direct evidence as to Trump's actions On the
Phone as interpreted by some Hack Whistleblower who we already
know did not follow Whistleblower protocol.Therefore negating any
Whistleblower Statute protection from retaliation.
Um ... what goes around ... comes around.
The Washington Post has been a major leaker of anti-Trump
anything/everything.Using as usual ... Unnamed or anonymous sources.
Their credibility and status is fast approaching "under water" terminology.

 

So after all we know you still persist in Protecting Old Man Joe
and son.? Whatever happened to the Left's agenda of going after
the 1% ers and the powerful and wealthy.
Isn't Hunter { out of nowhere } now worth around $ 3 million
NOT One Million.And he's not yet 50 yrs.old.
He's been averaging $ 83,ooo a month salary for his Directorship
at a Ukrainian Natural Gas company.And that's since the spring of 2014.
You do the math. 83 X 12 = 996,ooo a year X 5 years = $ 4,980,ooo or
appx. $ 5 Million in earnings.

 

That's basically what I wrote. And, you believe because Holder did that, it's OK for the Trump administration to do the same? You believe that two wrongs make a right?

 

That's what happens when you need aid because the Obama admin was more flexible with Putin.....Biden knew withholding a billion dollars was key to getting what he wanted....and that was his son's protection

 

Trump borrowed his first $100 million before he was 30. Have you got a point?

 

I'll type slowly for you. Biden Sr with the backing of the g7, the Ukranian parliament and the IMF got an inept or corrupt prosecutor fired who was not investigating jrs company nor any other big corruption target and got him replaced by a far more aggressive one that did. That is not protecting his son and is in fact exposing him to risk.

 

He hasn't done a very good job of making money. His assets have dropped by billions and doesn't take a dime for the pleasure of not overseeing his life's work.

On the other hand, the Clintons made millions selling our foreign policy and our national security to Russia and others. Obama entered the White House having never run so much as a lemonade stand. When he left, he bought a $15M mansion exposed to the climate disaster he used to score his booty.

 

He was clearly investigating Biden's company....

He was resigned, and the Govt of Ukraine supported that, only after Biden blackmailed them by withholding a billion in aid. The investigation was quickly dropped after he left