WSJ: Trump colluding with Ukraine

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Never mind the Mueller Report. Trump is colluding now... Just over a month ago... with Ukraine, to favor him in our elections and digging up "Dirt on Joe".

    They do this "little" favor for him, and he will compensate them with a small $250 million dollar tip. Of your tax money!! That's the amount of foreign aid that Trump is withholding. But he's not going to withhold it anymore if they run this "errand" for him, along with good ol' Rudy.

    So will we hear the "No Collusion" chant again?

    People: we have a criminal in the White House. An obsessive criminal who can't stop breaking the law. And we are the ones financing his criminal operations!

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-defends-conversation-with-ukraine-leader-11568993176
     
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    Trump making sure that if there was criminality on Biden's part, it affected the dem primary and not the general. Trump saying the country deserves better than having an election determined by racketeering on the part of a candidate. You should be thanking him for doing his job as top law enforcement officer rather than waiting for Biden to win the primary for his criminality to be exposed.
     
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    Just another ho-hum day of having trump in the White House. He's there for one reason only: to make as much personal profit as he can. I've said it before, I'd be surprised if his job isn't worth about 1M a day.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    So it's even worse than I thought! The President of the United States, according to you, is trying to manipulate the internal election process in the opposition party!

    If you're right, no less than 20 years in prison for the crook, I reckon.
     
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    You do know that 365 million a year for four years would not equal the fortune that Trump already has.
     
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    Do you even know if it's a crime?
     
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    sorry, but collusion isn't a crime.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    The President intervening in the Democratic Party's process? Haven't looked it up. That's why I'm only "reckoning" at this point
     
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    Yes, interfering in anelection IS a crime, according to the FEC. It's falls under election fraud and is a class D felony, which ives 5 to 10 years in prison, and a fine of up to $250,000.
     
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    That's because collusion isn't a legal term. It IS a crime, however, to promise federal aid if a country interferes in our elections. So if this is true, and Trump promised Ukraine $250,000,000 in aid if they interfered, then he committed a number of felonies., and I believe it would be considered an emoluments violation as well.
     
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    No it would not be. emoluments refers to gifts. Not payments for services rendered.
     
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    LMFAO "Ukranian collusion".

    You couldn't make this **** up if you tried.
     
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    Is this another one of those issues that are supposed to be the "we got 'em!" moment in removing Trump, and then fades away into some sort of ridiculous fake news like Sharpie-gate or the Scottish airport nonsense?
     
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    Sorry. My first response would be 'so what'? My second response is: You, I and no one else on this forum has any idea how much of a fortune he does or doesn't have.
     
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    Then why are you bitching about him making some fast cash while president?
     
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    If you don't know the answer to that it means you aren't aware of what's going on.
     
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    The left will eventually get Trump. I imagine it will be j-walking in 1968, but I could be wrong.
     
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    interferes in an election? How does that work exactly? Let's try to be specific on this because interfering in our elections does sound rather ominous. Are there going to be Ukrainians hanging out during election day telling everybody in line that they better vote for Trump, or else?
     
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    probably the same way Russia did.
    1; Setting up illegal shell companies to make illegal donations to Trump....
    2; Running fake social media based political ad (it's a federal crime for foreign money to be used to pay for political ads in the US)

    Also Trump allegedly asked the President of Ukraine to use hia authority to run an investigation into Biden and his family

    And he allegedly offered $250,000,000 in tax money in return for this aid.
     
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    You should probably report he has done his job of rooting out racketeering.
     
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    From what I've heard, Biden went to Ukraine, and for some reason, a Ukrainian company gave his son a 6 figure job that requires no actual work in a field he has no experience in.

    However, asking Ukraine to investigate an American's dealings with Ukraine isn't a crime. You mentioned interfering in our election, so let's get back to that. How is Ukraine interfering in our elections?
     
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    Nobody is above the law, not Hunter Biden, not his daddy, right?

    Daddy publicly admitted he committed a crime to keep his thieving baby out of jail, didn't he?

    If they committed no crimes, they have nothing to worry about, right?

    Daddy running for a public office is not a get out of jail card, right?

    If the internal election process is dependent on criminal activity of a candidate and his son, it's the party's problem, not law enforcement. They should vet their candidates better. Right?
     
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    Russia set up illegal shell companies to make illegal donations to Trump? Tell me more!
     
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    No. Pulling out of your ass is when you say something and hold it to be true despite evidence to the contrary. "I haven't looked it up" is a reasonable and honest assessment equivalent to "it's a reasonable assumption, but I'll get back to ya on that"

    You need to start learning the difference. Honesty is very useful in life.
     
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    A FACT that is completely lost on democrats for the past 2.5 years, and is still lost on them. They keep trying to litigate a crime that doesn't exist.
     
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