WSJ: Trump colluding with Ukraine

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  1. StillBlue

    StillBlue Well-Known Member

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    Do try and fact check that. There is no legitimate support for what you say
     
  2. struth

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    Other then the facts.
     
  3. stone6

    stone6 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Irish have been known to boast on occasion. VP's don't have the authority to hold up anything. Let's hear what bothered the "whistleblower" and the reason why his or her report was blocked from going to Congress. Trump's latest "tweet" would seem to be an "OK" for the whistleblower to come forward and tell their story.
     
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    Did it ever occur to you to read the law? What you're charging here is actually part of the law. There is no such thing as "collusion" in the law. Total fail.
     
  5. struth

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    Sure the VP can....he has the ear of the President...and was solely tasked with handling the Ukraine.
     
  6. stone6

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    He has no constitutional authority...other than to serve as the presiding officer of the Senate and vote to break ties. But, I have no objection to an investigation into his activities in Ukraine. Let's begin by hearing what the "whistleblower" was concerned with.
     
  7. struth

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    Sure he has no Constitutional authority, but can if given that authority by teh President, who did just that when Obama made the VP teh point person in Ukraine.

    At thsi point we know what the complaint was about...it's a nothingburger....that's the danger when the "whistleblower" in fact actually only reported hearsay, since they had no first hand knowledge of the call.
     
  8. stone6

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    Apparently, the Inspector General of the DNI's organization agreed with the whistleblower based on some preliminary internal investigation and is being blocked by the DNI from reporting the IG's findings to Congress. So...let's hear what their concern is. You have a problem with that?
     
  9. StillBlue

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    There is, however, conspiracy and this fits that. Also, both conspiracy and collusion would be impeachable so pick your poison.
     
  10. struth

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    I have no problem with it...we already know the person had no first hand knowledge of the call itself
     
  11. stone6

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    Possibly...but I don't think we'll know anything for sure, until the whistleblower, the IG, and the DNI testify, under oath, in an open Congressional Committee session. The President apparently doesn't mind. Would clear-up the situation quickly.
     
  12. Darthcervantes

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    Opposition research is not against the law, fyi
    Man you guys are getting desparate.
    At this point I almost want trump to lose because I fear for the health of democrats
     
  13. struth

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    The problem is that confidential issues like that can't be discussed publicly. As we know now, the investigation has been reopened for sometime...and the Prosecutor in Ukraine has expressed a willingness to share that information with the DOJ, in particular the actions of then VP Biden....we can not risk harming an on going criminal probe, either over there or here.
     
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    From the left arm of the democrat party the new york times ? Surely you jest . Facts are facts. The bidens commited crimes ,lefty blames Trump.
     
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    The bidens committed crimes with Ukraine and China , lefty blames Trump. But fear not , Trump is ousting the criminals. Fact check that.
     
  16. stone6

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    Really? The IG, who agreed with the "whistleblower," was a Trump appointee. Surely that person would have no interest in acting against U.S. security interests? Release the transcripts and redact the classified information. That's the way the Mueller Report was handled.
     
  17. struth

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    Not sure anyone “agreed” with the whistleblower who had no direct knowledge of the call. This isn’t the mueller report.

    There is an ongoing international criminal investigation going on, that can not be compromised simply because the dems can’t accept the statements from the Ukrainian govt and the White House
     
  18. stone6

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    The on-going "international criminal investigation" is being led by whom? Rudy? Easy enough to get to the bottom of this quickly: Call the whistleblower, the IG and the DNI to testify on the issue, under oath, before Congress. What are you afraid of?
     
  19. struth

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    No the AG in Ukraine. Keep up.

    Sorry that’s not gonna happen, I’m a afraid that an on going international criminal probe will be compromised. You’ll see the results when the investigation is concluded
     
  20. stone6

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    So...have the whistleblower, the IG and the DNI meet in a closed "classified briefing" session, with the Congressional "Gang of Eight." That's the purpose of their existence. Or, are you arguing that an INTERPOL investigation would trump the sovereignty of the United States Congress?
     
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  21. stone6

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    "Collusion" was a term used most by the President. The media just reported what he said. The investigation, resulting in numerous indictments, trials and a number of guilty pleas was over "conspiracy" and "obstruction of justice."
     
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    The whistle blower has no direct knowledge of anything. All hearsay. Therefore, it is the Democrats panicking that Trump is picking off their sure things. They need to manufacture a scandal out of whole cloth if need be.
     
  23. struth

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    The dems have proven they can’t be trusted
     
  24. stone6

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    Hahaha...sorry, that's not the way the system works. The Gang of Eight consists of both Democrats and Republicans. You can't create a One Party State...that would be communism.
     
  25. stone6

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    Then call the "whistleblower," the IG and the DNI before Congress (in either an open or closed session) and let them explain whether there is anything to it or whether it's all "fake news." Simple solution.
     

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