A step towards becoming a banana republic.

Says the "Mueller time" crowd.

You guys are hilarious.

There was no election related phone call. There was a criminal activity related phone call.

 

I agree.

I pointed it out because our level of knowledge on a subject vastly affects our opinions. The more you know, the better your opinions are.

 

The point was that even using the oval office as a resource for campaigning is considered bad form.

Using our national security interests and our tax dollars as tools to coerce election campaign cooperation from foreign governments is FAR FAR beyond that.

Trump's call for China to attack Biden is also an impeachable offense.

 

Can you name the law or statute which prohibits unmerited people from being hired and making millions? I wish it had been in effect when Cheney was hired as CEO of a huge oil services corporation when all he knew about oil was how much it cost when he went to Jiffy Lube to get it changed on his Caddy.

 

Which did happen BTW. What do you think the failed Mueller investigation was all about? Now, asking a foreign leader to look into corruption by democrats is inline with our treaty with Ukraine. Biden and Hillary were in deep with Ukraine and Biden's drug addled son got a sweet 50K a month job from a Ukrainian company. But, for democrats it's, look, a squirrel.

 

Translation: You can get away with corruption, all you have to do is throw your hat in the ring. Of course that would be totally hypocritical since that is exactly what happened to Trump by the Obama administration.

 

If we already know they committed crimes, why is it necessary to investigate? Why not arrest them immediately? I swear conservatives don't put a moment of thought into their posts. They just roll their hands on the keyboard and hope whatever they're typing makes sense.

 

It's you who is looking for squirrels. Republicans were in agreement on our policy with Ukraine. In fact, Republicans pushed on Trump to stop using denial of congressionally allocated military support as a weapon against the Ukrainian president.

Do you have ANY idea of how long a list of US corporate board members and employees get more than $50K per month???

How people fall for the idea that $50K/month is evidence of corporate crime is just hard for me to understand.

 

The Obama administration held off on Trump. They even pretty much held off on Russians acting in favor of Trump!

And, let's remember Trump's two successive campaign managers were clearly criminals.

So, we DO hold off on candidates, knowing that there is time to get the job done later.

 

What is this a joke?

Knowing someone committed a crime and having the ability to prosecute it at trial are two different things.

 

Yeah I don't know what that first sentence even means.

What help did he ask for in the upcoming election?

Everything Trump does is an impeachable offense to leftists.

It's all this forum has talked about for the last 3 years. Every day: STORMY IMEACHMENT AVENATTI HAZ HIM MUELLER GOT HIM SCHIFF HAS EVIDENTH FIRE AND FURY HE HAD 2 SKOOPS ISE CREME

 

No experience and kicked out of the military 2 months before for drug use. Stellar credentials.

 

I don't have to imagine, it already happened.

 

But we're not talking about US corporate boards....and that list would't be as long as you think. We are talking about Ukrainian boards. A country I've been to many times where teachers get paid $375/month. Cocaine Biden...as it has recently come out...was getting $88K/month. One month's pay to Little Biden is 20 years pay to a school teacher in Ukraine.

If you want to talk equivalencies and compare to US corporate boards....Little Cocaine Biden was making about $14 million/year to sit on a natural gas company's board and he didn't know the first thing about O&G.

But his daddy was the point man pushing for Ukraine to develop their gas fields to get away from Russian gas....which was tied to a billion dollar US aid package. Coincidence? Oh yeah, I'm sure.

Just like Little Cocaine Biden's money went from Ukraine to Cyprus to Latvia to the U.S. If anyone else did that, the IRS would be standing at their door the day after. Who was that other guy that didn't pay some taxes from over a decade ago...oh yeah, Paul Manafort. Ukraine helped Obama nail Manafort. Ukraine has already admitted that. So is Hunter Biden special because his dementia ridden daddy is running for President? I think not.

 

This is just lack of knowledge on your part. He wasn't there in an engineering capacity, obviously.

This was US policy. It's what both Dems and Repos wanted. An arch conservative lobbying group recently pressured Trump to stop blocking Congressionally allocated dollars to Ukraine. Ukraine was part of Biden's job to help Ukraine become independent of Russia - exactly the OPPOSITE of what Giuliani has been attempting.

Ok, I'm tired of your ignorant ad hom and totally unsupportable BS.

 

You are free to make your ridiculous accusations.

Trump is NOT free to use our national security and tax dollars to attack an election opponent.

THAT is an impeachable offense.

 

But that's the executive's job. Congress writes the laws, the president executes those laws, and the judicial acts as the referee if there are any complaints.

The problem here is that you're trying to create a different set of laws for politicians. So let's say that Ukraine comes back with their investigation and says that everything is completely above board and no laws were broken, or even slightly bent. What happens is that nothing comes of this investigation and things continue as they were. The only problem with this is, as you know, the investigation itself can be used as a political weapon. The process of the legal system is in itself a punishment.

This is why the democrats are angry with Trump, and they are using the process themselves as a punishment with all of these investigations. Would you want to strip congress of their ability to impeach the President? Probably not, but he's a political rival to the democrats, and unfortunately for Trump, the democrats control the house. They are using the process as a way to hurt Trump's chances in 2020, and Trump is using the process as a way to hurt their chances in 2020.

Legally speaking, everything being done, including that Mueller investigation, the impeachment inquiry, and the DOJ investigating Biden is perfectly fine. Yes, it might hurt Biden's chances of winning the nomination, but no laws are being broken.

 

Well I'm tired of lazy SOBs that can't read affidavits and court documents produced by the Ukrainians that piss on your parade, so what.

 

Trump called wolf too many times? The Left have basically said, "let's impeach him. We'll figure out why later."
I think there is political motivation. But our President is supposed to protect our nation. Suppose he were tasked with punishing child rape. Credible evidence is provided that Adam Schiff has been sodomizing 6 year old boys. Trump calling him out will hurt the political opposition. That doesn't mean he should stop calling Schiff out. 1st duty: protect our country.

 

You are completely out of your depth. I recommend stopping before you embarrass yourself further.

 

And yet, you assume that I support Trump?

Well, you would be wrong.

 

Only you would claim the facts are rediculous.

Translation, a dem can get away with corruption if the throw their hat in the ring.

 

The Trump haters claim that it's an issue of national security for Trump to ask a favor of the Ukrainian president because he will now be subject to blackmail, yet they see no national security issue when a foreign government gives money to a top US government official or when that official demands actions by a foreign government to protect that officials son. They also felt it was perfectly fine to spy on a political opponents campaign when they claimed the candidate was possibly compromised by a foreign government, yet scream impeach when one of their own is investigated for possibly being compromised by a foreign government. Let's see, we're not suppose to investigate Hillary because she's not running for office and we're not suppose to investigate Biden because he is running for office. I might have to change my party to Democrat to get that get out of jail free card.

 

IOW, don't believe what you are seeing and reading.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...elieve-what-we-are-seeing-and-reading.562515/

 

You're pretty naive if you believe that.