Do you think the things that President Trump is being accused of are wrong?

What countries are these? And what are supposed to be getting back?

 

I think the accusations are bogus, not just wrong.

 

You should apologize.

 

I get infracted all the time when I make blanket political or intelligence statements about no member or person in particular.

It's insane.

Not that I GAF mind you.

 

GAF??

I've been dinged just recently for calling people "Nazis" and once some time before that for using the term "stupid" in reference to conservatives. I think that you get in trouble for just failing to exhibit basic civility ( and yes, i have to apologize once again for doing just that in this very thread. I have no excuse)

 

"GAF" = Give A ****.

And what is civil, seems more and more to be obscure, given the volume of posts that I REPORTED after this **** started, that I book mark to see what happens as a study.... AND REMAIN up.... BY LEFT LEANING members.

I've owned 5 websites, I know the deal.

And I've banned moderators for less in the past.

They can do what they like tho.. IDGAF.. Used to obviously, since I had hit the Collection Plate.

 

Are you guys really reduced to such an off the wall 'what if' scenario?

Smells of desperation.

 

And yes, of course it's wrong, How could you possibly think it was not?

Unless, of course, you think that your side should ALWAYS be in charge, and so be entitled to do ANYTHING to stay in power. And if you do you might as wall just drop all the facade of elections/legislation and just be a flat out autocracy. Kill or jail all your opponents ("lock her up") and your word is law.

 

That bolded part is completely and totally wrong. Biden was ASKED to use his influence to oust a corrupt official who would NOT prosecute corruption. If Joe Biden was truly trying to shield his son he should have helped this person, not seen him discharged.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/10/us/politics/joe-biden-ukraine.html

But the true purpose of this whole sordid affair is summed up in the last two para of the article above:

“Let’s not forget that this was covered on A22 of The Times in 2015, because it did not fall outside the White House’s ethical guidelines and was simply not a major story,” said Kate Bedingfield, the Biden campaign’s communications director.

She added: “What’s different now? It’s that Donald Trump is aggressively lying about it every day in the hopes that it winds up on the front page.”

 

Did you read the intro to the article? That's as far as I got because I don't pay for the NYT but it said the Obama Administration vowed to make Russia pay in blood for the invasion. They sent food and blankets, quite a blood letting that. Obama didn't want to upset the Russians even though they had already invaded and gotten what they wanted.

How do we know, other than the Times saying so, that the prosecutor in Ukraine was not actively investigating the corruption in question? Biden says so but I'm not sure that makes it true. I think it is very likely Biden was there to shut down an investigation that would have implicated more than Hunter Biden. Perhaps, if Dems go through with this impeachment charade, the trial in the Senate will answer that question when Hunter Biden gets to explain his role.

 

It is ironic that you really don't see what ol' Joe did, even though it is so obvious by reading the very information in your post!

But, if you want to put belief and trust in the New York Times, and in the utterances of Kate Bedinfield, THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN'S COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR, ( ) then you are welcome to do so.

Link: https://www.opensecrets.org/revolving/rev_summary.php?id=76934 ... really, Aleks? Is that all you have for a retort...?

Now, look at ol' Joe himself, and LISTEN to him, very carefully:

https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/2...he-prosecutor-investigating-his-sons-company/
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...to_ukraine_to_force_firing_of_prosecutor.html

Oh, sidebar -- it is the president's prerogative (ANY president) to replace any U. S. ambassador, anywhere, at any time, whether they are apparatchiks, holdover 'stooges', or other 'careerists'.... Is it beyond imagination that in a country as thoroughly corrupt as Ukraine is, you'd want your AMBASSADOR to be 'on board' with identifying the epicenters of that corruption before the U. S. goes on throwing hundreds of millions of dollars in "aid" to that country's oligarchs...?

Meet the "epicenter"!

 

You sound like Adam Schiff with the hypotheticals.

 

My hypothetical was purely for the purpose of finding out whether people thought what the President was accused of was wrong. I wasn't making any value judgement on whether or not he was actually innocent. If people don't think that what he's accused of is wrong then all of the threads discussing the President's guilt or innocence are pointless. It was purely out of my personal curiosity.

 

LOL, the dems wanted to impeach Trump for having two scoops of ice cream.

 

The New York Times is 168 years old and has won 127 Pulitzers.

With all due respect, I think I will believe their opinion over that of some anonymous conservative board poster,

 

He's accused of any number of things, with most or all of them wrong in some way.

Of course, The Democrats have yet to produce proof he actually did any of the things they accuse him of, so the point is moot.

 

Because it tells you want you want to hear, and no more.

 

Sure, Aleks, and in the 2nd century B.C., Ptolemy came out with the very well-reasoned new FACT that everything in the universe revolves around the Earth -- and this FACT was accepted as iron-clad DOGMA until the 15th-century! Wow! What a 'track-record'! You think we should be impressed by DOGMA from the 168 year-old New York Times...? As far as defective facts go, they're mere neophytes. Hint: how long someone or something has been around means nothing by itself... and neither does winning "Pulitzers"....

But, you've got to give ol' Ptolemy credit for one thing -- HIS mistakes were innocent, with no interwoven political agenda intended. Can you say as much for the New York Times, or, Kate Bedinfield, THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN'S COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR...?

 

Not many people accepted Ptolemy after they read Aristarchus, at least not in geography, though he was the only one who explained retrograde motion, so was accepted in astronomy

But one did, Christopher Columbus, and we should be glad he did. He thought the world was just 18,000 miles around, like Ptolemy said. If he'd known the correct figure and thought there was like 9000 miles of unbroken ocean it's unlikely they'd try it even now

You're skeptical of the New York Times yet you believe the Prince of 10,000 lies?

Yep, all ya gotta do is hate the right people, it seems.

 

If he said that then yeah, that would be impeachable. But he hasn't said that. There is no indication that he was doing that other than in the imaginings of people that never even once talked to him and Trump haters.

 

Truth? I don't even particularly approve of a number of Trump's policies. His incessant railing against the beneficial, and very necessary continual increases in interest rates in order to responsibly balance demand for money with money supply is costing me thousands of dollars, going forward. And, I don't like the damned 'wall', either... but I digress.

Nevertheless, what we need (ALL of us) are rock-solid, first-hand FACTS from actual, credible witnesses in this 'impeachment inquiry'. Whether each of us is on the Left or the Right, Aleks, we need total transparency in all witnesses, and in every single thing that each of them says, backed up by evidence and proof. If we don't have that, I promise you, we will ALL be haunted by political 'games-playing' in our future, and that future does not (NOT) look very good right now, for ANY of us.

But to your point, I confess that I do have a full measure of 'hatred', Aleks -- for anything and anyone who threatens or undermines the Constitution of the United States of America.... Do you?

 

Political opponents don't get immunity from investigation, just ask Trump.

 

Surly, you apply this to the Democrats investigating Trump - right?

 

Yes, I think that if Representative Schiff were running for President then I'd hope that he'd recuse himself.

Edit: accidentally promoted Schiff to Senator

 

There's a difference between something wrong and something illegal. Not all things wrong are illegal. Laws and rules come about because of wrongs.