What Trump supporters would like the rest of us to believe.

there's an ire of bias in all of your posts in this thread, it's subtle yet loud and clear...

honesty is best displayed by being, for lack of a better description, honest...

flippity flop, floppity flip... can't decide which flavor to sip... <a blaster3 original quote>

 

Please post a direct quote of mine from this thread in which I was allegedly biased. Then explain why in your view what I said is biased. Please include the post # as well so I can review the allegedly offending post.

 

I was just pointing out the unbridled attacks on the Trump administration while people like Comey, Clapper, Brennan, Clinton, Lynch, Yates and others walk free while actually committing real offenses. Nobody in Trump's circle should have done jail time as the Russian conspiracy was a hoax. The real conspirators with Russia were the DNC. Shame on Jeff Sessions for his complete inability to protect the Republic from attacks on the inside of the government and elements that wanted to destroy it. It is nothing short of treason and a coup attempt.

 

Trump will be found "guilty" of winning the 2016 election and the Democrats still can't get over it. Period. They have planned his impeachment even before he took office. The media and other DNC supporters and Democrats serving as Representatives, past and present, have been cheering it on now for almost 3 years. Attacks, leaks, hoaxes, fake news, going after his inner circle are all Soviet Style, Nazi tactics designed to destroy an Administration who has done nothing but try to run the country and to forge ahead. Schiff and Pelosi literally stand in front of a podium every day and lie. Outright lies that they don't even try to hide because they know the media will spin it into a truth and agree with everything they tell them.

Economically his plan is sound and the fact that he wants to stop fighting long drawn out wars is very unpopular with the Deep State. Trump was literally a middle of the road Democrat\Republican that could care less about party and cared very much about results. It's very ironic that the very people who championed his cause in the years past are now furious he is a Republican and implementing these policies. He never changed, the Democrats just kept moving further left.

 

Hunter Biden was not voted into office or appointed by politicians to his position- but the obvious probability is that Joe Biden negotiated some kind of position for him whereby his family would be enabled to draw money out of the Ukraine that he could not do personally. That is an ethics violation, possibly a criminal one. This kind of arrangement where family members of politicians wind up with cushy revenue streams under the guise of employment is sadly not uncommon among members of congress- including the best known, the most powerful. The fact Hunter is so totally unqualified only supports the probability of his windfall being a politically motivated scheme, a way to sell influence without the beneficiary directly and illegally paying the person they expect to get the benefits from.

Thus your argument is not relevant to this situation at all.

 

Awwww, looky look here! Another HATE thread aimed at people that happen to have differing political views than the OP does. Did you get it all out? Do you feel better now?

 

Biden was just the vice-president a rather thankless job and was assigned his role he did not have ultimate responsibility for it. The President bears the fiduciary responsililty, legal responsibility and national security responsibility.

 

First you don't know who "opened it" all Trump was asking as far as Biden was cooperation according to treaty. And again the Obama administration opened an iinvestigation inti candidate Trump and I see no wringing of hands about that one.

 

Reported where? You believe someone who is saying yes they impeachable offenses but they are not going to us them? Instead going on these shaky grounds.

 

And? To whom does the DOJ report?

 

The reason Trump suggesting Barr contact Ukraine.

 

And Obama had to sign off on the counter-intelligence investigation into the opposition candidate. Don't know what you mean injecting himself into every individual investigation. The Russian involvement was all a hot topic until it appears to have turned onto the Democrats and persons within the State Department. A President is well within their rights and duties to request the cooperation of foreign countries especially when we have treaties in an ongoing investigation. He has a fiduciary responsibility with our tax payer dollars.

The President signs off on counter intelligence and to imagine that his FBI and DNI and CIA chiefs began such a counter-intelligence investigation against the Republican candidate for President without informing him may even be worse.

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Andrew McCarthy: What I’m saying is not that the president sits there and directs that there be counter-intelligence investigations. What I’m saying is that unlike criminal investigations, counter intelligence investigations are done for the president. The only reason to do them is for the president with the information he needs to protect the United States from foreign threats. They’re not like criminal investigations in that regard. So in principle the information for the president. And here we know at various junctures we have actual factual information that this investigation was well known to president Obama.

Sean Hannity: So, if he knew, and this is all happening, he had to know about it from the get-go. Doesn’t it also imply that he would have been updated on this? If he’s the one that needs it for national security decision making?

Andrew McCarthy: Sean if things were working properly the president should have been alerted about it and informed. It was a very important investigation. If they actually believed what they were telling the court that it was a possibility that Donald Trump was actually a plant of the Kremlin, it would have been derelict on their part not to keep the president informed."
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...ident-obama-knew-about-spying-on-trump-video/

Of course it is material and the PRESIDENT needs the information to make important decisions about it. It's a matter of national security and corruption with our taxdollars. That it involves Biden......oh well.

I think the Zelinsky and his government also expessed concerns and lack of confidence in her......................out you go. She has no life long claim to the job and Trump was exercising his Constitutional authority and prerogative. Her testimony had no place there in these hearings if there were to be any hearings it should have been before other committees as routine oversight if at all.

 

The DOJ says they knew nothing about any of it.
Strange Barr is running from this.

 

House is investigating whether Trump lied to Mueller, its general counsel told a federal appeals court
https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...97aa5c-0173-11ea-8bab-0fc209e065a8_story.html

The statement came during arguments over Congress’s request to have secret grand jury evidence from the Mueller report released urgently for its impeachment inquiry.

The request followed closely on the heels of Friday’s conviction of longtime Trump friend Roger Stone. Testimony and evidence at his trial appeared to cast doubt on written replies from Trump to Mueller about the president’s knowledge about attempts by his 2016 campaign to learn more about the release of hacked Democratic emails by the anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks.

 

Meaning, you are not going to answer my question, "In 2016 a Democratic President investigated a Republican campaign candidate. Are you fine with it?"

 

Why do you believe someone running against an incumbent White House is immune to a federal investigation into the possible corrupt actions he took while an elected federal official?

Why do you believe it is improper/illegal/impeachable for an incumbent White House to initiate a federal investigation into the possible corrupt actions a person took while he held elected federal office by the simple virtue that said person is running for President?

 

lol - Still on the Mueller report?

I think Mueller is being investigated right now by Durham and Barr for his involvement in a coup attempt. Mueller better have a good lawyer.

 

You make many assumptions about Hunter Biden. I say he is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

 

I have seen no objective evidence to prove for a fact that Obama ordered an investigation into Tump. The first transcript released by Trump shows that he was directly involved in requesting an investigation into a political opponent whitch is unethical. If Obama did order the investigation into Trump then that was unethical too.

 

CNN. Before you protest, keep in mind that if you want to actually know what liberals think it is best to go to a liberal source such as CNN. Those who rely upon conservative news to tell them what liberals think are getting a stereotypical caricature of liberals as opposed to an objective insight into the mind of liberals. I also watch Fox News to learn the conservative perspective

As for if what Trump did is an impeachable offense, seems it is as he is being impeached by the House and if the Senate were held by Democrats then he would be kicked out of office. This is why I stand against the impeachment process as it is a partisan process which is not conducive to an unbiased judgment. I think what Trump did is worthy of punishment such as an impeachment, yet the impeachment process in it’s current state is broken thus useless.

 

This statement is fundamentally untrue. They would need 66 votes in the Senate, and even with Democrat control, the odds of getting 66 votes would still be somewhere between slim and none. Removal due to impeachment is designed to need widespread bi partisan support. No such support exists. Not even close.

 

I have seen no objective evidence that proves for a fact that Obama ordered the investigation into Trump. If you possess such evidence please post it. On the flip side I have seen a transcript released by the White House of a call Trump made in which he asked for an investigation into the Biden’s which is unethical. If Obama did order the investigation into Trump I would say that would be unethical too and I would support legal action being taken against Obama by Trump and hope that Trump would win the case against Obama if Obama were guilty.

 

I have plenty of perspectives as to what liberals think. Now what Democrats have said they are not going to including anything from the Mueller report in their impeachment to make it go quicker?

 

My point is that how each side will vote is predictable. If there were 66 Democrats in the Senate it is likely they would vote against Trump. The argument was a hypothetical and not intended to be taken literally.

 

If you have “plenty of perspectives as to what liberals think” then why did you ask me the question? In answer to your question, yes. They hope to have the impeachment process done before the New Year.