USA not 1/1000th of the way through the Pandemic.

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  1. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

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    Nope. The governors did. The governors placed that lock down. Some even made it the law that you can not gather in area's like churches.
    Donald did not recommend this or anything of the sort. In fact, as late as the 9th of march, Donald was still comparing this with the flu, and wanted us to think about the 22 people who died of Corona vs 90,000 of your random flu. Ergo: he was downplaying it in a massive way.

    Bit weird you're refusing to credit the governors for placing lock downs and passing the credits on to Donald who never recommended it to them.
    Very dishonest.
     
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    I looked up the AP one.
    The headline says "Is the new virus more ‘deadly’ than flu? Not exactly"
    And I see nothing wrong with that. It's not downplaying how it is. They even put in the mortality rate according of the Chinese of 2.3%. So you know. I don't think that them % are widely different now.


    you mean... everything is fine.. because precautions are taken.
    You have to take precautions.
     
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    The first thing I noticed was the initial math error of dividing by "recoveries" rather than "resolved cases". That error was a prime example of why schools need to do more schoolwork/homework containing word/story problems filled with useless information (like I did a lot of in my private grade school) so that people learn how to differentiate between useless and useful information, and learn how to achieve a desired result from a plethora of information.

    But... but that's an "expert" standing on the stage next to Trump... Orange man bad... wahhh wahhh wahhhh.

    As for me, I realize (as Fauci correctly pointed out during the presser yesterday) that a model is only as good as the assumptions that are plugged into it (as the inputs). I personally think that the 100K-200K range is estimating quite high (as it is based heavier on NY and NJ data), but we'll see what happens. I do not expect anywhere near a million or more deaths, as the other poster was fear mongering about.

    Yup. I'm optimistic that it won't be near that bad.
     
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    Shonyman32 Well-Known Member

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    You crushed him. That was beautiful.
     
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    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    So you plan to keep pretending like only the GOP didn't see this coming.

    Got it.
     
  6. gfm7175

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    Thank you.

    It's rather easy to do given that I form my own arguments instead of stealing arguments from others. I also do not regurgitate whatever "trusted media sources" and "experts" decide to shove down my throat. I am a free thinker. The Left can't stand people like me.
     
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    I remain unconvinced. As to A above we don't know the resolved cases either because most were not tested.
     
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    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    Garbage in, garbage out.
     
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    Saved for posterity.
     
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    I hope that death rate is WAY Below predictions.

    Obviously, the key factor will be how many people actually acquire the Virus.

    Even a 31% Infection rate is 100 Million People.

    And, at 0.66 that would still be 660,000 dead.
     
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    Today's figures are 4516 dead. Where are you getting 220,000?
     
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    Well if the death rate hits 100,000, it won't be. But we have quite a ways to go and I'm skeptical that we'll ever get there.
     
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    Trump and Dr. Brix yesterday, during the press conference said - on the low end of the modeling, we are going to see somewhere between 100,000-240,000 dead.
     
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    Your talking about a projection, @notme sounded as if he was talking deaths now.
     
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    More fear mongering over a 0.007-0.008% infection rate and a 0.00015-0.00030% death rate.
     
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    What do you expect from people driven by "Orange man bad!! ORANGE MAN BAD!!!!"?
     
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    You are not quoting the infection rate or the death rate.

    You are pretending that the confirmed numbers from a virus which is still growing exponentially are somehow static.
     
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    I understand the confusion, just helping you to understand his reference to 220,000.
     
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    Precisely what is currently coming out of their mouths. :)
     
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    Yes I am. I am able to do simple mathematics.

    No I'm not.
     
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    Your "simple mathematics" are objectively not the infection rate or the death rate. And yes, by dividing the number of confirmed cases/deaths against the total population, you are pretending that the numbers - which are still growing exponentially - are somehow static.
     
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    Yes it quite literally is. That's how fast the disease is spreading and how fast it is killing off people (assuming that all deaths attributed to corona are ACTUALLY due to corona and not some other underlying condition, which numbers I only accept as true for sake of conversation). As infections/deaths per day increase "exponentially", then those rates are adjusted. A few weeks ago, I kept mentioning a 0.005% infection rate and a 0.00012% death rate. Those numbers have now increased closer to 0.008% and 0.00030%. Not a very dramatic change over the course of a couple weeks if you ask me...

    No I'm not. It is just a rate for a particular day. That can be averaged over numerous days or could be adjusted higher for potential "exponential" growth if you'd like... 100,000 cases a day would amount to a 0.03% infection rate and 4,000 deaths a day would amount to a 0.0012% death rate. Still not "scary" numbers as far as I am concerned.
     

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