South Korea Sends Its Forces Into The Strait Of Hormuz After Iran Seizes Tanker

I've sailed the straits of Hormuz plenty, the waters are disputed and you cannot avoid going into what the Iranians claim to be their territory, especially if there is other traffic about. The Iranians are no more keeping evidence than the Somali pirates I hunted were the 'Somali Coastguard' they always claimed to be. The hostages will be released when it suits the Iranians to do so. Those hostages were taken due to Islamic fundamentalist extremism, the Ayatollah's regime infinitely worse than the Shah's. Appeasement of such thugs never works.

Childish and silly? Yes you are.

 

So, according to you each and every ship navigating the straights of Hurmuz has no choice than to enter Iran's territorial waters. You know, I hate to break it to you but I will be needing a more authoritative statement from someone a bit more knowledgeable than you. And your notion of piracy and hostage-taking is right out of a Dick & Jane Easy Reader book for kindergarten children.

 

Israel is a far bigger thereat than Iran - to the free world - as Israel already has nukes.

and folks like you who want to nuke nations on the basis of "We don't like them" "Not Free and Democratic" are the threat to the free world.

Last - your claim that Israel wants peaceful coexistence with its neighbors is false nonsense.

 

Correct me if I am wrong (and if I am wrong I am sure you will correct me) but I do believe that South Korea continued to order oil from Iran AFTER the so-called "sanctions" went into effect. Those "sanctions" (as you call it) South Korea is only using as their reason for not paying the bill.

I am not going to respond to such stupidity.

We can discuss where Iran is on the list of "greatest threats to the entire free world" but the fact is that the U.S. is the number one "greatest threat to the entire free world". Now, where would you place Iran? Number two at best? I wouldn't put Iran that high on the list but you think the world should abide by your opinion, so ..... Well?

Oooops!

OK, so maybe Iran is at number three? Still, I think it's too high but hey, you Reasonablerob are the guy who wants to decide.

 

El Saud - Israel - Pakistan - #5 maybe ?

 

Pretty much in that order, yes.

 

Do we include Russia and China - or - do we give Iran some credit for trouble

 

Ahem

Strait of Hormuz - Wikipedia

I've sailed it numerous times, have you?

Yeah, I was trying to put it into terms you'd understand. But obviously you didn't, huh?

 

Israel has had nukes for decades and never been a threat to anyone. Israel is a free and democratic society and it does want peaceful coexistence with its' neighbours, hence why it keeps signing peace treaties with them.

 

Yeah, absolutely, we kept buying oil of Gaddafi when he was blowing up our airliners and we were bombing him. These sanctions were to punish Iran for it's terrorism sponsorship, SK was quite happy to pay for its' oil. There's not stupidity for you to respond to. The US is the hope of the world, a free and democratic society with the will and means to spread its' ethos, thank god for them!

Darn right I decide and you know I'm right. This ship wasn't even trading with Iran, it had docked in Saudi and was heading towards the UAE, the Iranians seized it not for violating their territory but for 'polluting' the Straits?

 

So wait, is America THREATENING ENGLAND? I mean, England is a free nation.
And is America attacking the European Community? They are free too, aren't they?
And Australia, is it being threatened? And Japan, Sth Korea, New Zealand etc..?
No, but America has 'threatened' (sort of) action (not specified, generally) against Nth
Korea (not free) and China (not free) and Russia (not free) and Venezuela (not free.)
You get the idea.

 

Could you please say Britain or UK.

 

I'm not sure. They all have legitimate grudges but Iran isn't strong enough to intimidate its antagonists by merely growling so although all three of them are potentially dangerous Iran is the only wild card amongst them so your guess is as good as mine.

 

Yeah .. depends on what parameters we are looking at. In terms of "Terrorism" we can take China and Russia out.

US -El Saud -Israel all rank higher for sure .. Pakistan - Afghanistan - and a bunch of the other Stan's for that matter ..

If that is the criteria .. Iran is back of the bus at best.

 

Crazy, ain't it.

Bull ****. Read your own words, "it's terrorism sponsorship". Read them well and think about it. If sponsoring terrorism were the breach of law/morals/standards of justice then the U.S. would have to sanction itself. So please don't give me this righteous, gummy bear balderdash. If you continue along those lines I will supply you with a shortlist of terrorist entities the U.S. is (and has) sponsored.

Was, huh? SK has refused to pay for goods that were ordered and received before these phoney sanctions of yours. If you are advised by your friend against a purchase but you make the purchase anyway then you are bound by all the standard rules to honour your debts.

I have the impression that I am conducting this dialogue with an adolescent. I say that as a compliment because otherwise, I'd have to consider you a liar. Look, my friend, I have been completely around the globe overland and I have lived in several countries in every inhabitable continent except South America. I have been in 1 war in Africa, and 4 wars in the Middle East & Asia. If you had experienced only one-tenth of what I have seen and done you would never make such a ridiculous statement. The U.S. is the biggest threat to world peace and has been voted so year after year.

This ship was violating international territorial laws. Period. Do you want to talk about pollution? Fine. Do you want to talk about ulterior motives such as SK's refusal to pay its debts? Fine. But that tanker was in violation of international law. It wasn't blown off course. Its mainsail didn't malfunction. The rudder wasn't clogged with Juicy Fruit gum. The ship wasn't subjected to some Force Majeure. It wasn't commandeered by unruly swashbucklers. No, the captain of that ship ordered it to be navigated into Iran's territorial waters. Period.

 

Sailed it? No. I have skirted the Straights of Hurmuz along the Iranian coast. But what is your point anyway? If all anyone does is Google the area you will know that it can be navigated without violating international maritime law. I mean, duh!

Your problem is that you have already invested too much "I've sailed it!, I've sailed it!" and now your back is against the bulkhead and you are having difficulty admitting that you are off course and three sheets into the wind.

 

True.

Yes, you're right.

Way back of the X26 ... slumped over onto the wide bench seat and snoring.

 

Good on Israel for not using nukes - and you have no basis for claim that Israel has not been a threat to anyone. Do you claim Israel would not nuke Iran - under any circumstances ? Quantify your claim - and the BS will start to ooze out of it.

Israel's existence with its neighbors is anything but peaceful coexistence - Israel is the big terrorist on the block in that region of the world - as far as nation states in that region - El Saud being the main other big contender .. with Iran ranked far below.

You make up reality as you go - Throw a bunch no meaningless platitudes at a wall .. over and over again .. in a desperate attempt to try to make something stick.

 

Who is to Say El Saud is not the aggressor in Yemen - and the Houthi's "Freedom Fighters" - on a relative basis of course .. neither representing much in the way freedoms in the Western Sense .. although - one side is definitely less extreme than the other.

 

Do you know what the expression "contradiction in terms" means?

 

All the circumstantial evidence, and likely some measure of direct evidence, suggests that Israel used a nuke at Beirut harbor last year.

 

One man's terrorist is another man's counter-terrorist or freedom-fighter.

 

Really? Can you direct me?

 

I don't visit VT much anymore, but here's a link to get you started.

VT Nuclear Education: The Beirut Coverup and Jewish Lightning (and Trump’s silence) – Veterans Today | Military Foreign Affairs Policy Journal for Clandestine Services

When it happened, even the MSM showed footage of the explosion viewed from above. Likely that was taken down quickly. I haven't kept up.

There were, maybe still are, photos showing it, and it looks exactly like other photos of nuclear explosions.